Is an AR the right choice for me?

Discussion in 'AR Talk' started by jazzplayer9, May 3, 2011.

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  1. jazzplayer9

    jazzplayer9 XDTalk Newbie

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    I'll get to the point, i want a multi purpose firearm.

    -I need to be able to use it whitetail and mountain goat hunting,
    -I need it to be reasonably affordable (also taking ammo into consideration, reloading is possible in the future) preferably the gun would be under $750
    -i need it to be 110% reliable in a defense situation (if i'm going to spend more than $500 on a firearm it better be reliable for defense) this also means i'd prefer a shorter barrel and lighter weight while still maintaining hunting accuracy out to about 100 yards
    -As i have no experience assembling firearms i would need a book or manual of some form to walk me through it
    -and lastly i need it to be legal for me as a civilian to own and use.

    notes on what I've researched:
    -As seen in the title, i understand the AR may not be the way to go
    -I've heard mixed reviews of DPMS
    -I've only heard that Remington's AR models are really stiff and tend to jam
    I am ignorant as to building an AR myself

    thank you in advance for any and all help or advice
    -jazzplayer9
     
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    sounds ok to me. an A2 is pretty inexpensive and is plenty accurate to 100 yds even with iron sights. .223 is fine for whitetail and goats. They are plenty reliable unless you fill them with mud or never clean them.

    Do you live in the US? They are legal here. I think some states put some stupid restrictions on stuff like threaded barrels, but I live in Indiana, so they don't care.

    Do you want one?
    a) Yes
    b) No


    If you picked a), then buy one.
     
  3. jazzplayer9

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    Would you mind educating me? I have no Idea what you are referring to when you say "A2" any links you could give me would be much appreciated,
    thanks
    -jazzplayer9
     
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    From reading your post, you put the hunting aspect at the top of your list...I would say "no" to an AR and go look for a decent lightweight bolt action rifle with a variable scope. Would recommend a .338 type caliber for single shot kills and for SD incase you run into a bear on your way up to the upper terrain.
     
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    IMO, the A2 has the right balance of simplicity and ergonomics. full-length buttstock, attached carry handle, 20" barrel.

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    Most people (me included) don't need rails, scopes, collapsible stocks, and crap like that. the rifle pictured above handles and shoots well.

    Could be that I just spent a lot of time with the M16A2 and I'm prejudiced against the A4 and M4 versions because they're not balanced as well. I carried all 3 at different times.
     
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    I guess I'd agree with your point that the AR is not the "ultimate" hunting rifle, but it is a heck of a lot better for hunting than a .338 bolt action is for defense, which is the other capacity it needs to fill.
     
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    you might want to check out a Stag Model 1

    Stag Arms

    it's more compact than my A2, and has iron sights, but if you wanted to put a 1-4 scope on for hunting that wouldn't be a bad idea. You could keep the iron sights on for defense.
     
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    When the OP mentioned "goat" hunting, it made me think about the last time I was up past the timberline. The mountain slopes are barren with a lot of wind shear from the winds coming down and across the canyons. The heavier bullets seem to work best for shots 300 to 500 yards. The guide I was with told me when we see one to "pin" its shoulders so it wouldn't drop over a cliff from a wound. So I guess, the OP may have too broad of range of needs.

    FWIW...I never got a shot at a goat, all the ones we saw didn't make the measurements..:oops:
     
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    thanks for the replies all, as far as bolt action rifles go I am borrowing my dads ruger 30-06 but it does not satisfy the defense need, since it's a short term loan i'd prefer the one buy fix all =) as far as caliber goes, i've never shot anything other than 243 win. and 30-06 is the 223 really reliable for one shot kill on a white tail buck? (i only ever shoot inside of 150 yards, stalk hunting rather than stand or blind hunting)

    again, thank you all for the replies,

    jazzplayer9
     
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    I personally would not hunt animals as large or larger than deer and goats with a .223. Not to say it can't be done ethically or that .223 is absolutely bad for medium sized animals but larger, more powerful rounds give you more range and their increased power translates into a larger margin of error in accuracy that will still produce an ethical kill.

    Why not an AR-10? It's an AR upscaled to fire .308 instead of .223. Beyond your hunting requirements, I say for the other things you need a rifle then an AR in .223 is a good choice. Don't worry about your skills building one if you want to save money. There are tons of resources and people on the net you will hold your hand through the process if you decide to go that route.
     
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    .223 is marginal IMO. Yes, i've used it on two WT tagged one and lost the other. I switched to a 6.8SPC (for more info go to Home of the 6.8 SPC - 68forums.com) for medium sized game. This year we dropped right in tracks three whitetails. The 6.8 would meet most of your requirements, but from doing a goat hunt with the ranges and wind I would opt for the 30:06.
     
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    .223 Is the smallest round you can hunt with but would I hunt anything larger then a fox with it? No.

    I'm sure people hunt with a ar-15 system, but I'm sorry that's just dumb. I love my Ar-15s to death but I would never hunt unless I didn't have any other larger rifle. The AR weapon system by nature is not a optimal hunting platform unless its really small game.And if your talking stopping power; even at 100yards its not coming much faster then a paintball. Defence on the other hand they are great. But I would much rather grab a pistol, or a shotgun for deference inside of my home.

    My advice for you would be a AK-47 type weapon system, and heres why.
    - They always work.
    -The ammo is some of the lowest prices of any ammo out there.
    -The round is huge compared to a 5.56
    - If you spend decent money (ar-15 amounts) on a AK weapon system, your groups will be on par of that of most ARs.. with knockdown power you can count on.
     
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    If you can place your round with precision, a proper .223 bullet will drop a whitetail in it's tracks. My buddy has dropped several, one shot in the boiler room, that immediately went down.

    However, if you aren't able to place your round exactly where you want it, .223 may not be a good choice.
     
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    Sorry, but you're wrong on that one. Placed properly, a well constructed .223 round will work just fine against up whitetail sized game. And you aren't going to find many AK's that can outshoot an AR.

    As for the bullet not being much faster at 100 yards than a paintball--sorry, but that's so wrong, you really shouldn't even consider giving advice here until you actually know what you're talking about.
     
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    I have been pondering this question for myself as well. Just was never sure where to post it.

    On one side I have the AR-15 style and fanboys and whatnot and on the other you have the precision shooters with their bolt actions. I guess I know eventually I will have both, but which to get first.

    Lately I have been leaning towards a Remington 700 SPS Varmit in .308 ($75 rebate going on) and then later, I figure I can jump into the AR style carbines and get a 5.56.

    I am not going hunting, so what I want is a gun that will let me thread the needle at 200-500 yards and I figure that will be fun to learn to do.

    I think the simple fact that you want to have some sort of "defense" with the weapon would mean you want a semi auto and you see plenty of videos online with people hunting with AR style rifles so you pretty much answered your question. My question is what are you trying to defend from with a AR? Up close, Ill use my pistols, if the threat is a zombie running at the house from 200 yards or more, then I see a rifle making more sense.
     
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