Is 9mm +P and .40S&W +P OK to shoot from XDm or XD SC?

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  1. RayMich

    RayMich XDTalk 100 Member

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    I've been lurking here for a while and have read that many members are using +P ammunition with their XD and XDm pistols for personal defense.

    However, I was at Cabela's yesterday and while talking ammo with the clerk at the gun counter, he said that Springfield would void your warranty if you shoot +P ammo from any of their guns. I realize that gun store clerks are not necessarily the "sharpest tack" in the box and often say things just to make themselves look "important". Although I have not shot any +P from any of my semi-autos, I have been thinking about getting some to try.

    I know that Kel-Tec says that you can shoot 9mm+P from their P11 and PF9, but not as a steady diet. Even Colt's owner's manual will tell you that .38 Spl +P is OK in several of their alloy frame revolvers as long as you don't shoot it all the time and inspect the gun on a regular basis, but I cannot find anything from Springfield about this.

    I've always been of the opinion that the SA XD's and XDm's will eat just about any new factory ammo you feed them without a problem and I've never had any problems whatsoever from any XD or XDm I have ever shot, but I have not shot any +P through them.

    I tried to find out if this clerk is full of cr*p or not, so I have searched the Springfield website but cannot find anything about +P ammunition. I cannot find anything in the owner's manual either and every attempt to search 9mm+P or .40+P on this site yields the message,
    "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
    I can't even get a hit when I search here for "9mm" or "9 mm" or any other caliber for that matter. :sad:

    I do want to make sure that whatever ammo I use, is safe in my guns. So my question is, is it safe to shoot 9mm+P or .40 +P through a Springfield XD, XD SC or XDm? Can someone provide a link to Springfield's position about this?

    Thanks for your assistance.
     
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  3. RayMich

    RayMich XDTalk 100 Member

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    Neo31rex31 XDTalk 1K Member

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    +p = yes +p+ = very sparingly.
     
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    tec XDTalk 5K Member

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    He is wrong.

    This is from Tom at S.A from March 2006:

    Reply from Tom Macke from Springfield re. Winchester Ranger 9mm 127+p+ (RA9TA):
    Quote:
    Due to the fact that our entire line of
    XD pistols features fully ramped and supported barrels,
    using +P and +P+ ammo will not damage your gun.
    However, we do recommend that you make sure the ammo is
    American made and is in new condition, not re-loads.
    If you are planning to use +P or +P+ ammo, we recommend
    that you fire it extensively at the range before relying
    on it for concealed carry or self defense. Although +P or
    +P+ ammo will not damage your XD, a steady diet of this
    higher power ammo may decrease the service life of the
    barrel & firearm.

    Thanks, Tom

     
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    perley03 XDTalk Newbie

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    I thought +P didn't exist in .40S&W??? :confused:
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    You are correct. There is no +P or +P+ rated ammo for .40S&W.
     
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    RayMich XDTalk 100 Member

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    Thank you!
     
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    tec XDTalk 5K Member

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    I suggest that you can also email Springfield Armory with questions like these. They happily answer them.
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    That is not a SAAMI spec that is a "bubba load" just somebody making an over spec load with no official certified testing.

    SAAMI Is An Accredited Standards Developer For The American National Standards Institute (ANSI)

    SAAMI | Technical
     
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    EDIT: agalindo beat me to it....but still read these articles. They go into great detail about +P ammo.

    Read these two......
    +P Ammunition Information

    Glock .40 cal and +P ammo? - Glock Talk

    ...in the end, there is no "+P" for 40 S&W, due to the fact that the round was introduced before +P ammunition was manufactured. They were afraid that if they introduced the the +P round that people would fire it in a gun not metallurgically designed to handle the extra case pressure; "+P" is just symbol of a higher case pressured round.....in other words its a hotter round.
    Now there may be companies marking their ammo as +P and they may be a little hotter, but there is no SAAMI certified round to date for a +P 40S&W.

    SAAMI | Unsafe Arms and Ammunition Combinations
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    I'd have to disagree with this reason. The 9mm luger was introduced in 1902 so 9mm lugars have been around for much longer than .40 S&W.
     
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    perley03 XDTalk Newbie

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    You are right....I never even thought of that before, however I was just passing along info I have read in the past about +P ammo. I guess my source was wrong.
     
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    There is no standard set for 40 in plus +P. You can load the 180 to 1050 without any problems with low flash using Unique. You can hit 1100 or even 1200 with a 5 inch using Longshot but it is a fire ball. If you load the 135 to 1450 it can be to hot and blows up to easy,

    Thanks,Keith
     
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    i like searching for info and finding it... :D
     
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    Being that .40 is a relatively new round (30 years ish) compared to 100+ year old 9mm and .45, there has been no need to create a +p round for it. With older rounds and guns, the round was pressured in accordance to the capability of the gun it was designed for. In more recent times, new guns made are able to handle higher pressure loads than the original design, thus the +p, which allows the round to compete with newer technology (i.e.) stronger frames. The .38spl was designed in the late 1800's, hence the +p available for newer, stronger guns.

    Unless you're shooting a luger or early 1911, +p should be fine. As stated previously.

    The only TRUE +p for .40 would be the mighty 10mm.
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    This is a 2 year old thread. Why?????
     

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