how to identify an old counterfeit $20 bill?

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  1. sourpatch45

    sourpatch45 XDTalk 5K Member

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    so i got a 1981 twenty the other day and it is in PERFECT condition. it just seems too nice to be real. its like a brand new bill. well i cant find any information on how to tell if its a counterfeit. all i seem to find is info on the new bills. i really dont think its a counterfeit but it just seems odd to be in such good condition for a 27 year old bill. im just curious about how to ID one,

    it also got me thinking that since the old bills are still accepted everywhere and would be much easier to make a fake, why wouldnt all the counterfeiters use them instead of the new ones.

    so if anyone has any info on how to ID this that would be great. i really dont want to use one of the markers because the bill is perfect and i plan on saving it so i dont want to put a mark on it.
    thank you
     
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    I don't think they used watermarks or anything back then...I'd say take it to a bank and ask for a new bill...don't ask if it's counterfeit. With any luck they'll take it and you won't be out $20.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it is a fake, though.
     
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    I can't remember if it will have a $20 watermark or not, but check to see if it has a thin strip with the word "Twenty dollars". Hold it up to a light and you will see the strip. The best method is to actually look at the bill very closely under good light. If it was printed on actual US currency, it will have small squiggly blue & red "hair like" strands all over the bill. This cannot be faked by using any other "paper" products.....

    If all else fails.....take it to the bank!!
     
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    Or put it under a black light. The strip will stand out quite a bit and you will be able to tell then, however I am not sure if the old bills have that strip. I know we have several older style bills in the house but I am not really sure of where they are so I wouldn't be able to check for you right now sorry. If you have a black light and different kinds of new bills available to you then check it out. Each denomination has a different colored strip once the black light hits it. Pretty neat.
     
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    Take it to a busy grocery store and DUMP IT, dude.
     
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    Counterfeiters do use old bills. The biggest give away is texture. Bank tellers are taught to feel each bill before they even look at it. Chances are if it is a 1981 bill and it's crisp, it's fake. I recieved one from a gas station a few weeks ago and refused to take it from the store.
     
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    well it has the hairs but they didnt put the strips in till 1990 i believe

    and i dont want to mark it since its in such good condition, i would like to save it.
     
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    bills that old are not going to have water marks, or security tape...it will have the little red and blue hairs...and i believe it should say "The United States of America" in tiny type around the portrait (should look almost like a ring to the naked eye) Id say next time your at a gas station just ask the teller to hit it with the marker.
     
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    If it is a fake send it to me. i have a strange fasination with such things. I would give you face value for it.:D
     
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    The conterfit pens don't work on older bills. I can't remember how far back you have to go but once you go so far back those pens don't work.
     
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    The outline around Jackson's face on the front has United States of America in VERY fine print around it. It's not a solid line, it only appears that way to the naked eye.
    -Thomas
     
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    I know you are worried about discoloration on the bill from using a pen, but if the bill is real the mark will disappear, especially if you lightly mark it. I mark thousands of dollars a day at work(video lottery casino). Say I pay out a bunch of hundreds to a customer, then later they want to bust one of them for smaller bills. I have to mark it again, because the old mark will already be gone. I would use a pen, and just put a very light mark on the edge of the bill. A very tiny little mark will do, because it will turn very dark if it's fake.

    Get this, I have caught a fake ONE dollar bill. And it was the best fake I have ever seen. Not only did the paper feel good, they even printed the little colored hairs on it. You had to look close to see that they were actually printed on - the red ones had bled just the smallest amount. Who puts that kind of effort into one dollar bills?
     
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    If you have a Secret Service office nearby call them. You can go in and they'll let you watch while they test it. If it is fake, they'll take it and ask you a bunch of questions about where you got it. If it's real, they'll give you a free book on counterfeit bills.
     
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    A counterfeiter might have done a 1 dollar bill as a test on the way up to making bigger bills. You're more likely to pass off a bunch of smaller fakes than a couple bigger ones. I wouldn't doubt it if they put a few ones out to test people. :arrow:
     
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    get a pen. the watermark fades w/in a few hours. i received a 1930 $100 at work once. was saving it to find a dealer until i needed a deposit on my new AR. told the owner about the worth of the 100 bill and she sold it to a dealer last week for $165.
     
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    oh and they didnt do the microprinting either until 1990.

    ok i didnt know that about the pen. but i will try it.

    i have been inspecting it and im pretty sure its real. i put it under the micro scope and compared it to other bills from before 1990 and they are pretty much the same and the red and blue hairs are NOT printed but are actually part of the paper. so that right there leads me to believe its real.
     
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    run your fingernail over the lines in the jacket. You should feel texture, especially on a crisp bill. Compare it to a new bill and you will fell it immediately. This is an old liquor store trick to check money without offending people with the pen. BTW, the pens are remarkably ineffective. Many ads in the sunday paper will show as "real".
     
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    and the pens are only good for 3 months after u open them. many stores do not rotate their pens and use them for years.
     

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