How many of have you been delayed or denied in the background check?

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  1. matlt

    matlt XDTalk 2K Member Founding Member

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    So far I've only bought ammo from wal mart. Today I decided to buy the mossberg 500 I've been wanting for a while (I dont have a shotgun yet, and have only fire one once). I have an AZ CCW, but apparently wal - mart doesnt care. Company policy to do a background check no matter what. No big deal right? Figured I'd be walking out with a military grade shotgun for $200 in about 10 minutes. Well, the guy tells me I've been delayed after he calls in the check. I've never been arrested, no restraining orders, nothing. My only experience at all with the legal system is traffic tickets and the jury duty I did once. There's no reason I should be flagged on a background check. So I call NICS to figure out what happened. They aren't allowed to tell you anything. So I basically just got "you're not fit to own a shotgun but we don't know why and don't care, have a nice life sir" Maybe it is just an identity mix up like both the wal - mart employee said and the woman at NICS claimed. Regardless, I'll never buy a gun from wal - mart and I'm considering not buying ammo there anymore. If a CCW permit isn't good enough for them neither is my money. I'm probably just overreacting since it just happened. We'll see if and when the gun department calls me with the results on the delay.
     
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    Tally XD XDTalk 3K Member Founding Member

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    Are you a "Jr" or "Sr" or maybe "II" or "III" as far as your name?

    If so, this could cause the delay. Even though you have a unique social security number they many times will delay BG checks over last names that include a suffix.

    Are you reserve or active military? If so, you may need to get a unique "PIN number" for certain circumstances. I cannot elaborate on this one. I only know that in certain cases for military you have a "PIN" that you must use when purchasing firearms.

    I know you said you have a concealed weapons license, but have you personally EVER purchased a gun? If not, sometimes first gun purchases will toss a flag for unknown reasons especially with older folks who are making a first gun purchase.


    All firearms sales from a retailer are obligated by Federal law to run a BG check. There is no "sliding" by without one. It must happen or someone at the store can go to jail as well as the company losing its firearms licenses. It is not Wal Mart. Its the Guv'ment

    Possibly due to overwhelming numbers of BG checks lately, they may just be trying to buy time. I dont know.
     
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    A delay usually occurs due to a large amount of background checks being processed, its normally not a big deal though usually walmart wont hold the weapon for you if you get delayed.
     
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    I got spit out of the system last time I bought a gun. The reason was that the address I gave (correct address) did not match the one on my driver's license (old one - forgot to change it). Once I made the addresses match all was well.
     
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    This is what I was thinking. And the possible fact it has something to do with it being new years day. I'm just wondering how long it will take.

    I've only bought from gun stores and private sales. So, this isn't quite my first gun. I've never heard of having to use your PIN outside of the military. A PIN is only for use in conjunction with your CAC card. Shouldn't ever exist in the civilian world afaik. And I have no title to my name. Just first middle and last.
     
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    As far as I know, the CPL license is not a replacement for the background check. It only allows you to not have to go and get a purchase permit.
     
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    Arkansas CCW holders fill out the form, but it doesn't have to be called in. I have a couple friends with Arkansas CCW license and have witnessed them purchasing firearms.
    Oklahoma isn't this way (which sucks) but Im sure some other states are.
     
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    matlt XDTalk 2K Member Founding Member

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    Maybe it's just an AZ thing. A CCW in AZ lets you skip the background check at any gun store. So, my first pistol (an xd9) required me to get a bg check. After that I got my CCW and have bought a dozen guns since then. No background checks for any of them.
     
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    That is the way it should be anywhere as far as I am concerned. IN Florida, the CWL gets you the weapon that day with no waiting period but you still have the BG check each and every time.
     
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    Edited: Removed comment. I am sleepy and read your initial post incorrectly.
     
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    I've never been delayed thankfully:D

    Oh and TOTP!!
     
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    It depends on the state and how they issue the CCDW (CCW CWL whatever they call it in your state). In Kentucky, CCDW holders that obtained their CCDW license after a certain date in 2006 no longer have to go through the NICS check... the license takes the place of it, however some stores still require the call-in by corporate policy ( still wondering how corporate policy supersedes state law)

    Had a clerk at Dunham's argue me that this was not true today. He argued me to the point of being beligerent so I asked to speak to a manager and informed him what a Fkin idiot he had behind the counter and the fact that his attitude and lack of knowledge had cost the store a sale today and most likely my future business ( all in front of said idiot)
     
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    I've never been denied, but I was delayed once. It was actually the first pistol I bought, my xd 40. I don't know if it was cause they were suspicious of a 21 year old guy buying a pistol or if they were just busy. Either way, I had to wait over two hours for it.
     
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    A store's policy doesn't have anything to do with the law of a state. They don't have to sell you anything if they don't want to, and if you don't go through the store's requirements to buy a gun they aren't required by law to sell it to you.

    One of the local shops in my area requires a set of finger prints everytime you buy a gun there in addition to the background check. Even if you've bought a gun there before. It's incredibly stupid, IMHO, but thats the way it is :(.

    Basically, it's just a CYA type thing. They probably score some brownie points with the government for doing stuff like that too.
     
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    I've heard of lengthy delays since the election with all the sales. There just aren't enough people to do all the checks needed for all the increased sales.

    Chapie+
     
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    I just bought a Maverick 88 12 Ga the day after Christmas and had no problems. I left Academy 20 min later with my new shotgun. Maybe today they had less people working since it was a holiday.
     
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    Different states have different laws where permits are concerned. My Idaho permit exempts me from having it called in here.
     
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    Sorry, last I checked if a company is doing business in a state, they are not exempt from state laws, if policy and state law conflict, state law supersedes, just as federal law supersedes state laws. No they don't have to sell anything to me, however they are in the business of selling goods. They refuse to many people, they go under. And as far as this particular chain, I will have to wait and see what their corporate office thinks of the staff arguing with customers to the point of being beligerent and rude to more than one customer as I have already sent a detailed email accounting of why they will not be seeing anymore of my money
     
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    In Washington state you need to have a 'permission slip' from your command if you are in the military. I was shocked when the D-bag at the Sportmans Warehouse asked for it... WTF? After about 30 minutes of figuring out the magic combo of Mil ID,CWP, DL, and credit card statement I finally got the approval of the manager. After about another 30 minutes I was on my way with a new Glock 20.

    But seriously, a signed letter from my Commanding Officer. I have only seen the guy once. How is that conversation going to go. "Good morining Sir, can I buy a gun please. You need to sign this permission slip"
     
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    Since it's a "Federal" requirement, everybody needs to go through a background check to buy a firearm. States can tack on their own requirements and make it part of the check, if they want to, but everyone has to dance to the Feds' tune. I don't think there is any place that having a conceal carry permit exempts you from the Federal requirement.

    Fortunately, I've never failed one, but "S" happens.
     

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