How far does the bullet goes? .45, 9mm, .40? JHP.

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  1. P_PAC

    P_PAC XDTalk 100 Member

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    How far does the bullet goes? .45, 9mm, .40? JHP.

    Just wondering how far would they go, if shoot with nothing in between the gun/ target.

    Try to use search but couldn't come up with a good search terms.

     
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    Depends on a lot of things. Muzzle velocity, how it was shot, how far off the ground. They travel on a slight arc, and gravity affects it as it would any falling object. Supposedly, if you were to fire a shot and drop a bullet at the exact same moment, they would hit the ground at roughly the same time.

    For example, if you're shooting a .40, which most have speeds around 1200-1400 FPS, and you shot it from about 5 feet off the ground, which is probably most common for the average man standing up, you would have to calculate the time for it to fall 5 feet, and then measure the exact speed of it, and roughly calculate the time in seconds it took to hit the ground and multiply it by the speed, and you'd have how far it traveled.

    These are just for example, but if it took 2 seconds for it to hit the ground due to gravity, and was traveling at 1300 FPS, it would travel approximately 2600 feet, or half a mile, before it stopped. But friction from the air would slow it down, so it may not travel as fast the entire time. It could easily lose 100 FPS in speed after a hundred yards or so, and would continue to slow from there.
     
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    10-4 good buddy...that is, if the bullet that is shot leaves the gun at 0 degrees...any sort of vertical impetus will make your statement untrue...
     
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    The force of gravity is 32 feet/second/second. If you drop something from 5 feet above ground it should hit the ground after .559 seconds, assuming no friction. Theoretically, and assuming no friction or lift or drag forces acting on the bullet, and shooting horizontal to a plane, the bullet will also hit the gorund after .559 seconds since the force of gravity is the same whether an object is travelling horizontally or vertically. If the bullet leaves the gun at 1200 feet per second, the bullet will hit the ground at 671 feet (1200 * .559 = 671)
     
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    Until it hits the ground:mrgreen:
     
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    Since the sights of firearms are above the axis of the bore, most barrels are tipped slightly up. The bullet leaves the barrel on an upward path, at some point it will rise across the line of sight, continuing upward until it begans to fall back to earth due to gravity, once again it will cross the line of sight and will eventually fall back to earth unless it strikes an intervening object.
    How far could they go, depends on bullet, velocity, ballistic coefficient, air temperature and humidity, and several other factors. Elmer Keith writes about hitting a target at over 600 yards with a .44 Special out of a pistol. I have hit targets with a .50 BMG in excess of 2000 meters. For general purposes, plan on any round you fire to impact a specific target and know what is behind/beyond that target in case you miss. You should always be sure of a safe backstop.
     
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    remember that depending on what surface it strikes when it finally comes down, it can ricochet as well. some bullets travel around 2 miles. as stated before, it all depends on the angle the bullet is shot at, what length barrel it's shot out of, how much velocity.

    when shooting out in the country.. I figure if there's anything within 2 miles in the direction I'm wanting to shoot then I'm not shooting that way. Not unless there is a backstop to shoot into.
     
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    That's why I said how it was shot. Most guns will be aimed slightly upward. If you did have it in a vise, aimed exactly level, it would still probably fire just slightly upward from the recoil. It would be next to impossible to fire one exactly horizontal.
     
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    That's what I was trying to say, but it's been so long since I had a physics class that I couldn't remember all the specifics.

    I have to say I'm impressed with your first post here. Keep up the good work.
     
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    Thanks for all replies. Well, the reason I came up with that question is that I've read the following news from La Times and think about how can you can "be sure of your target and what lies beyond it" if you don't know how far your bullet goes.

    I guess it's more important to have some idea what will stop a bullet. Bricks, concrete, etc.. more than to know how far it will goes.

    Here's article just in case anyone wants to know.

    2 men freed in L.A. girl's killing
    Police say the gunmen were firing in self-defense at a rival gang member when the girl, 9, was hit by a stray bullet that entered her Angelino Heights home.
    By Richard Winton and Tami Abdollah, Times Staff Writers
    January 17, 2007


    A few days after a bullet from a gang shooting tore into an Angelino Heights home last month, killing a 9-year-old girl, police announced with much fanfare that they had arrested the two gunmen.

    But the suspects — Cesar Zamora, 23, and Steven Castanon, 20 — are now out of jail and back in their old neighborhood, to the dismay of residents who held candlelight vigils to memorialize Charupha Wongwisetsiri.

    Police released the men without filing charges after determining that Zamora or Castanon fired the shot that killed Charupha in self-defense when a rival gang member pulled up in a car and tried to shoot them in front of their apartment complex next to Charupha's home.

    The situation has shaken and angered residents of Angelino Heights, a diverse neighborhood with commanding views of downtown Los Angeles. The area includes rows of grand Victorian houses restored by television writers and downtown office workers side-by-side with apartments housing working-class families.

    "They made it big news when they arrested them and then they quietly let them go," community activist James McHargue said. "I think it is outrageous if the prosecutors don't charge the people who fired these guns."

    Bob and Patti Good, who helped organize a candlelight vigil for the girl, can't understand why the two shooters are back on the street.

    All of a sudden, the men "who gunned down that little girl" are back, said Bob Good, 62, a title insurance officer. "They are looking for him and he's looking for them. Is there going to be more violence now?

    "Usually if someone gets killed it's a bad guy, but now it's an innocent party. You cannot get more innocent than a little girl, and people identify with that."

    Authorities insist that they are simply following the law.

    "Evidence was presented that it was self-defense, and we did not feel we could charge the two people at this time," said Jane Robison of the Los Angeles County district attorney's office.

    Instead, police detectives say they now are trying to build a murder case against the man who tried to shoot at Zamora and Castanon — even though his gun jammed and he didn't get off a shot.

    He caused "this horrible event, and we hope to make a strong case against him in this murder," LAPD Lt. Paul Vernon said.

    Legal experts said the circumstances of the shooting would make it difficult to build a murder case against Zamora and Castanon.

    According to police, the men were sitting outside an apartment on East Kensington Road when a car pulled up. One man got out, walked onto the apartment property and pulled out a gun. Witnesses said he tried to shoot but his gun apparently jammed, according to law enforcement sources.

    Zamora and Castanon pulled guns of their own and fired several times. None of the shots hit the gunman, who fled in the car. But one bullet traveled down the street and into Charupha's home.

    Police believe the shooting was gang-related. But detectives concluded that the pair had the right to shoot because the gunman had pulled out a weapon and seemed ready to fire at them.

    Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern Law School, said the circumstances of the shooting would give Zamora and Castanon a strong self-defense case in court.

    "A person has a right of self-defense, and third-party damage, as sad as it may be, is considered an unintended consequence," Pugsley said.

    Prosecutors could bring charges if the shooting suggested an act of recklessness, but the sudden nature of the Angelino Heights attack — a gunman leaping out of a car and aiming a weapon — would make that a hard point to prove, he said.

    Peter Keane, a professor of law and former dean of Golden Gate Law School, agreed. But prosecutors can pursue an "unreasonable self-defense" manslaughter charge if they believe the gunman's actions were based on an unreasonable belief compared to the threat, Keane said. In that case the killing is not a murder but a manslaughter because they did not act with malice, he added.

    The issue of self-defense in gang shootings in which bystanders are killed or wounded has been a matter of debate for years in Los Angeles.

    In 2003, a mother decorating her Christmas tree in South Los Angeles was killed by a stray bullet fired during a gun battle between two gangs.

    The LAPD eventually arrested the two suspects who fired the shots after someone in a passing car sprayed bullets in their direction.

    But prosecutors decided not to pursue the case, agreeing with investigators that the men apparently acted in self-defense.

    The reasoning doesn't sit well with some residents of Angelino Heights.

    Jim Prager, 60, an attorney, said Zamora and Castanon need to be held accountable.

    "They ran away to another known gang house … they are not innocent people. This represents a lazy" prosecution, he said.

    Neither Zamora nor Castanon could be reached for comment. (Castanon was arrested Monday night in Hollywood on suspicion of weapons possession.)

    Prosecutors and police say they are doing all they can. They said they could still charge Zamora and Castanon with a lesser crime — such as a weapons or probation violation — but it remains unclear whether they will.

    Before the shooting, LAPD officials had identified the apartment where the shooting took place as a gathering point for gang associates.

    The city attorney's office has taken initial steps to have the residence declared a nuisance property because of gang activity.

    On the streets of Angelino Heights, Charupha's killing has sparked a new push by residents to work with police to reduce crime and take other steps to improve the neighborhood.

    But Charupha's stepfather, Allan Maxwell, said he'll now sell their home and move to his wife's native Thailand, where they have already bought a home.

    "With a self-defense plea there's nothing the guy can do," he said. "I talked to the detectives, and from their point of view it sounded like nothing is going to come of this.

    "I'd like to see them suffer some consequence. But short of becoming a vigilante, I don't know what to do."

    Maxwell, who has Parkinson's disease, said that when he heard the first shot that night he screamed for his wife and daughter to get on the floor in the kitchen, where his daughter was playing and his wife was doing dishes.

    He said if politicians continue to do no more than pay lip service to combating gangs, others also will leave the neighborhood.

    "Politicos make their statements about how they're going to end gang violence and get these creeps out of the area.

    "People just sold the house next door to [the gang house] and moved to Arcadia because they had two younger children," he said.

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    richard.winton@latimes.com tami.abdollah@latimes.com
    http://www.latimes.com/search/la-me-selfdefense17jan17,0,3135579,full.story
     
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    The bullets you mentioned will travel about a mile. They wont kill at that range but that's ABOUT how far they will go

     

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