Hornady XTP 9mm 147gr. loads?

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  1. mongoose33

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    I have some Hornady XTP 147gr 9mm bullets coming and I can't find any loads for the powders I have: WST and W231.

    Anyone have any loads for these powders from which I can work something up?
     
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    Neither are ideal for the heavier 147gr bullets. I have run 4gr of WST runs just under 900fps in my G17. I've only run W231 w/ 147gr LTC, but 3.5gr gives 945fps & Lyman says to go to 4.1gr under a 147grTMJ.
     
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    What would you recommend instead? Are the others not suitable because they're just too fast?
     
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    I load the Zero 147 gr which looks identical to me to the Hornady, I have loaded the Hornady as well. I use WSF or 231. Both work great. wsf 4.0 oal 1.125, 231 3.7 1.125 oal. I shoot them out of an xd tactical and have had zero problems, they shoot soft and they easily make power factor. I have shot 2 2,000 round two day tactical courses without one fail to feed or fire. 2 years of ipsc and zero problems. 231 works great for me and my gun.
     
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    As you know, I am not a fan of uberfast powders or fast powders w/ heavy for caliber bullets. I think WST & W231 are right at the edge & you can get good results, but I like Unique or WSF a bit better. Try the W231 & se how you like it, yo umay have good results w/ the WST as well, but I wasn't as happy w/ the accuracy w/ heavy bullets.
     
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    I've got some Univeral I'll try (close to Unique), and I'll do some workups based on PastorDan's experience.

    Thanks for the help. I'll report back w/ what I find.
     
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    355p_4_147 has "some" info that might help. Also a search on Brian Enos forum has quite a bit 147 gr info.:D
     
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    I finally decided that I should just make up some rounds using Universal (which has published data) and see what there is to see. Up to the max in the manual, 3.3 grains.

    I produced rounds that approximated what the Hodgdon manual says for the 147gr XTP. The manual says 869 fps, I got 852.

    But that didn't really satisfy me--I'd rather have a lot more velocity than that.

    On a hunch, I also loaded up a few at 3.4gr. Maybe dumb, I don't know. Chrono'd out at 868 fps average.

    Accuracy was...ok. Hard to tell for sure as I was at an outdoor range with the sun relatively low in the sky at the 10:30am position.

    I didn't do any expansion tests, but this doesn't strike me as much of a SD load. I think I'd rather have it going at 1000fps or even faster, but even hedging the manual max, I don't even approach that.

    The manual also notes a load for Longshot which produces an average of 1004fps. Don't know why the load for Universal tops out at a

    Now, by contrast to the 868fps produced with a hot load, I also ran some of my 125gr Precision Black Bullets through (4.8gr of W231). They averaged 1105fps.

    Now, I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to power factors and energy delivered and the like (but I'm a fast learner), but from an energy-delivered point of view, it seems to me I'd rather be shooting a 124gr XTP bullet at 1100fps than a 147gr XTP bullet at 860fps.
     
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    You can run that Universal load to 3.5gr & still be good (Lyman #49), closer to 925fps, but pretty much max w/o going +P. Unique, WSF, PP & HS6 will all get you to 1000fps safely. Long. heavy for calibver bullets want slower powders for best results.
     
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    Here's what I don't understand fully:

    I have the Lyman manual. That load is listed for Speer's TMJ bullet; isn't that a plated bullet? Or does it have as thick a jacket as a normal FMJ bullet? I've looked online; can't tell.

    And isn't it the case that when one loads plated bullets one should use lead data rather than FMJ data?

    So as I look at that, I am a bit confused. Is that Speer 147gr TMJ bullet more similar to a Rainier Leadsafe, say, or more similar to a standard FMJ bullet?

    I appreciate you walking me through this. Interesting how, as I learn more about reloading, the questions become more...subtle.


    Based on my own numbers, 3.5gr should not be much of a problem. I'm going to find some 124gr XTPs too, I think--unless you have a suggestion for a better SD bullet for the 9mm.
     
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    My favorite “Thumper” (hunting) load in the 9mm has always been:
    147 gr. XTP
    6.0 gr. Blue Dot
    Federal case (once fired)
    Win. SP primer
    1.140 OAL

    The load is anywhere from just under to just over max depending on what data source you look at. Standard disclaimer. Work up to with caution.

    Always chrono’s 1000+ f.p.s. in every 4” or longer 9mm I’ve ever tried it in. Also gives an impressive fire ball when fired in low light.:cool:

    Jeff

    I understand the powder of choice for such applications now a days is Alliant’s Power Pistol but I have yet to try any.
     

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