Hornady XTP 9mm 147gr. loads?

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    mongoose33

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    I have some Hornady XTP 147gr 9mm bullets coming and I can't find any loads for the powders I have: WST and W231.

    Anyone have any loads for these powders from which I can work something up?

     
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    Neither are ideal for the heavier 147gr bullets. I have run 4gr of WST runs just under 900fps in my G17. I've only run W231 w/ 147gr LTC, but 3.5gr gives 945fps & Lyman says to go to 4.1gr under a 147grTMJ.
     
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    What would you recommend instead? Are the others not suitable because they're just too fast?
     
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    I load the Zero 147 gr which looks identical to me to the Hornady, I have loaded the Hornady as well. I use WSF or 231. Both work great. wsf 4.0 oal 1.125, 231 3.7 1.125 oal. I shoot them out of an xd tactical and have had zero problems, they shoot soft and they easily make power factor. I have shot 2 2,000 round two day tactical courses without one fail to feed or fire. 2 years of ipsc and zero problems. 231 works great for me and my gun.
     
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    As you know, I am not a fan of uberfast powders or fast powders w/ heavy for caliber bullets. I think WST & W231 are right at the edge & you can get good results, but I like Unique or WSF a bit better. Try the W231 & se how you like it, yo umay have good results w/ the WST as well, but I wasn't as happy w/ the accuracy w/ heavy bullets.
     
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    I've got some Univeral I'll try (close to Unique), and I'll do some workups based on PastorDan's experience.

    Thanks for the help. I'll report back w/ what I find.
     
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    355p_4_147 has "some" info that might help. Also a search on Brian Enos forum has quite a bit 147 gr info.:D
     
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    I finally decided that I should just make up some rounds using Universal (which has published data) and see what there is to see. Up to the max in the manual, 3.3 grains.

    I produced rounds that approximated what the Hodgdon manual says for the 147gr XTP. The manual says 869 fps, I got 852.

    But that didn't really satisfy me--I'd rather have a lot more velocity than that.

    On a hunch, I also loaded up a few at 3.4gr. Maybe dumb, I don't know. Chrono'd out at 868 fps average.

    Accuracy was...ok. Hard to tell for sure as I was at an outdoor range with the sun relatively low in the sky at the 10:30am position.

    I didn't do any expansion tests, but this doesn't strike me as much of a SD load. I think I'd rather have it going at 1000fps or even faster, but even hedging the manual max, I don't even approach that.

    The manual also notes a load for Longshot which produces an average of 1004fps. Don't know why the load for Universal tops out at a

    Now, by contrast to the 868fps produced with a hot load, I also ran some of my 125gr Precision Black Bullets through (4.8gr of W231). They averaged 1105fps.

    Now, I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to power factors and energy delivered and the like (but I'm a fast learner), but from an energy-delivered point of view, it seems to me I'd rather be shooting a 124gr XTP bullet at 1100fps than a 147gr XTP bullet at 860fps.
     
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    You can run that Universal load to 3.5gr & still be good (Lyman #49), closer to 925fps, but pretty much max w/o going +P. Unique, WSF, PP & HS6 will all get you to 1000fps safely. Long. heavy for calibver bullets want slower powders for best results.
     
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    Here's what I don't understand fully:

    I have the Lyman manual. That load is listed for Speer's TMJ bullet; isn't that a plated bullet? Or does it have as thick a jacket as a normal FMJ bullet? I've looked online; can't tell.

    And isn't it the case that when one loads plated bullets one should use lead data rather than FMJ data?

    So as I look at that, I am a bit confused. Is that Speer 147gr TMJ bullet more similar to a Rainier Leadsafe, say, or more similar to a standard FMJ bullet?

    I appreciate you walking me through this. Interesting how, as I learn more about reloading, the questions become more...subtle.


    Based on my own numbers, 3.5gr should not be much of a problem. I'm going to find some 124gr XTPs too, I think--unless you have a suggestion for a better SD bullet for the 9mm.
     

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