HK P30L vs. XDm

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  1. johnnyreb18

    johnnyreb18 XDTalk Newbie

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    I have been ogling over the XD(m) since it first came out. For the longest time I was set on the XDm until I visited my local (F)un shop and handled the HK P30.

    My questions pertaining to the XDm:
    How is the tigger? I have heard both good and bad.


    Which do you suggest? Anyone have experience with both of them?
    Could you try to speak to the :

    Accuracy
    (I have heard H&K's are known for theirs)

    Fit/Finnish

    Triggers
    (I know they are two different types)


    Reliability

     
  2. MD-Lucky

    MD-Lucky XDTalk 100 Member Founding Member

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    When I picked up my XDm, I was comparing it to the P30 and the Sig 226.

    I've shot them all. They are all VERY nice pistols, and you cannot go wrong with any of them.

    I think the XDm has the best trigger of the bunch. As far as accuracy.. I think they are all extremely accurate for a pistol. I would put the XDm and the P30 at a tie, and the 226 in an extremely close second. They are all accurate enough that any discrepancy between the 3 is probably the user, not the pistol.

    I like the fit and finish of the Sig. There is something to be said of Sig quality.. I think the HK has a fine fit and finish, but I also think that you are buying a lot of the NAME.. I'm not totally impressed with the finish of my XDm. I have a stainless slide, and it isn't holding up as well as the black melonite. If I did it again, I probably wouldn't get the bitone.

    Before you purchase, I really hope you can go out and shoot them both. This isn't a decision you will be disapointed in. I absolutely see myself picking up a P30 and a 226 in the future though!
     
  3. tony l stubbs

    tony l stubbs XDTalk Newbie

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    I'm in the same boat. But, I have both the P30 and XDm 9mm. The P30 is exceptional in the hand. I am very accurate with the H&K. I like it a lot. But, I can't get the XD out of my mind. These will be both SD and Range guns. The P30 works IWB for me the XD seems to big, but I don't have the right holster for the XD, VMII for the P30. The trigger is the determining factor for me. I "FEEL" the SA/DA trigger is safer. I'm working on that mentally at the moment. I'm very cautious and safe, always keep my finger off the trigger unless I'm firing the gun. I love Glocks but am concerned about the trigger, basically the same as the XD but the XD has the grip safety.
    I'm not helping you much. But, I bought both and will keep both. Maybe that's the answer for you as comparing these two is like comparing apples and oranges..jmho :D

    tonys
     
  4. mr1incred1ble

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    Whole reason I went with Glock and now XD is because I HATE having 2 different trigger pulls for one pistol. It's hard enough to master 1 trigger pull...
     
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    You can't go wrong with the P30's Grip. It took a litlle playing around to find a good grip for my wife but once she found the combination she liked it really made a drastic improvement in her groups and confidence level. As far as accuracy goes, they both hit where you point them. I have an XDM .40 so I can't speak for the 9mm version but I prefer the XDM over the P30 due to its simplicity. The first time my wife cleaned her gun it took about a half an hour to develop a technique so she could disassemble it. After she had practiced for an hour, I brought mine out and in about five seconds had it in pieces on the table. You should have heard the words come out of her mouth!
    It's not really that much more difficult to break it down, just a few more steps.
    Accuracy has more to do with you than the pistol. That's where I think the P30 has the advantage. I shoot tighter groups with the P30 than I do with the XDM. But the XDM wins on simplicty. Just pick it up and shoot. There is no DA/SA to concern your self with but this point is debateable.
    We own the P30 not the Long slide version.

    I've put about 1500 rounds through my XDM and about 100 through the P30. I prefer the trigger on the XDM but I am slightly biased. I feel I'm more accurrate with the P30 though.

    I agree about the SIG226. It is a decent weapon. I had the opportunity to try a 226 and a 229 side by side. I personally LOVED the 229. I would definately be my next pistol purchase.

    I hope some of this rambling made sense. You won't be sorry with either if you end up buying one.
     
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    I had an H&K and sold it because the controls were in the wrong place for me. I didn't like the take down. The trigger guard rubbed my finger and I did not like the mag release. I want all the controls on all my pistols to be in the same place. The H&K is a fine pistol, just not for me. I love my XDM's.
     
  7. mdx

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    unless the p30l was an LEM I would go XDM. Still less capacity & more cost for start up amd mags. Friendly factory service ?? Simplicity as pointed out and a good point for XDM. I would venture to say the firepower , accuracy, and good looks of the XDM is a big titty twister for the Germans. Thats why you will see then pushing out pistols with a trigger and more capacity as Sig , but none will sell at the XDM price. Its a better pistol the XDM . The finished product is milled to perfection.
     
  8. xdm9shooter

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    Kind of hard to compare these two guns as apples to apples. They are two different types of trigger systems. Depending on what you are used to or what you want to do with the gun will make one over the other better. If it is for carry buy the HK if it is for general shooting either will work fine. If your wanting to buy a gun to shoot IPSC etc then buy the XDm. The XDm mags are cheaper and a pretty straight forward gun to learn how to shoot well. For the P30 it takes a little bit more training to learn how to shoot it well with a double action first shot. HK is a better gun then the XDm however it is also more expensive. The HK will be easier to carry since it is a lot smaller. If it is for carry look at the HK P2000. It is the size of a standard P30, lots of holster choices and you can put a LEM trigger in it which would be the best of all worlds.

    Good luck!
     
  9. xdm9shooter

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    FYI the P30 is not available in a LEM trigger and the word from HK is they have no plans to offer it right now.
     
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    Read this a few times all you CCW's.


    Glock and its likeness, the XDm are two of the finest low cost point and shoot peices money can buy.


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    I have the XDM and the P30 and the P30L. The P30 is the best of the bunch. The P30 and P30L are both more accurate than the XDM. The P30 trigger is DA/SA. The DA first pull is long and hard. The SA pull has more pre travel than i would like but the break is light at 4.5 lbs. I dont prefer the XD trigger over the P30, they are just different and you would have to sample both to decide which YOU prefer. The fit and finish is slightly better for the P30. The P30 has been completly reliable with 700 rds thru it. The P30L has also been problem free with 300 rds fired. The XDM has shown no issues either with 300 rds thru it. The grip ergos are seemingly hand molded with the P30/P30L. I would say that if you want a good high capacity pistol for home protection, go with the XDM. But if you want a great overall pistol for concealed carry go with the HK P30. I consider the P30 to be the best 9mm pistol ever and if i could pick only one gun out of any others that are available, it would be the P30. Oh and HK,s are overall better made than XD,s.
     
  13. mdx

    mdx XDTalk 100 Member

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    Some of the more expensive HK pistols have a great match trigger ,better sights, and mag capacity. I prefer the XDM for what it offers in the 6-800 price range.
     
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    The P30L is still going to be easier to conceal then the XDm. HK has said they are not making the P30 in a LEM trigger. If there are some floating around then that is new but I would question they came from HK with a LEM in them.

    Dave
     
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    Hello All,

    I own all three firearms mentioned in this thread: XDM 9mm, HK P30L and Sig Sauer 226 Tac Ops. My observations of each firearm out of the box with a minimum of 1000rds through each are as follows:

    HK: best feeling grip of any firearm; very left hander friendly in terms of mag release, de-cocker and ambi-safety (I happen to be left-handed); extremely well made and durable; OK sights; trigger (very long take-up)takes some getting used to, but OK (definitely my least favorite aspect of the firearm); 15 round capacity is good; firearm has handled whatever ammo I have fed it with no FTF or FTE whatsoever.

    XDM: sharp looking firearm (I chose the olive drab/ stainless); nice grip; very aggressive, but not too much so; firearm is a bit top heavy (not an issue with practice, as with any firearm), but it points well and naturally; better than average sights; good trigger; easiest gun ever to break-down and clean (big plus!!!); absolutely love the 19+1 capacity;

    SIG: quite frankly, it like comparing apples to oranges IMHO. Out of the box, the SIG feels great in the hand; points extremely well; all steel frame makes recoil minimal (I shot the best groups out of the box BY FAR with this firearm); short reset trigger (not even fair to compare this trigger to the stock XDM and HK--yes, the sig trigger is THAT much better); fantastic sights (stock night rears with fiber-optic/tritium front--WOW!!); 4 mags with the firearm with 20rd capacity (though I did swap them out immediately due to slide not staying locked back after final round)

    Admittedly, I am not the best shooter in the world, but I tend to shoot 200-300 rounds per week. I also mod my firearms to make them function better for me. To date, I have ordererd three different springs (should be here next week) for the HK to help with the trigger, though I have been shooting that firearm much better as of late. I shoot a minimum of 100 rods with that firearm per week, since I am the least accurate with it. I have also had heine straight 8's with tritium installed, which makes a world of difference.
    On the XDM, I have had Trijicon HD sights (orange) installed--love that BIG orange dot up front. I've also NP3'd the slide and internals and installed PRP (Powder River Precision) X-treme grips. The most significant upgrade was having the PRP match trigger kit installed. It was so great on the 9mm that I had it installed on my XDM .45 as well. You won't believe what a difference it makes on the firearm. That being said, I haven't felt the need to do a thing to the SIG, and it is my home protection weapon.
    I know that I can be a bit long-winded, but hopefully someone will get some useful information from this. If you have the opportunity, shoot all three side by side and see which feels best. My local range has that as an option, and it is very worth it, especially if you are going to drop upwards of $1000 on a firearm (less so for the XDM, of course) Peace and safe shooting everyone.

     

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