Help with grip technique

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  1. HighFlyingA380

    HighFlyingA380 XDTalk 100 Member

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    Hi. I was looking for some help/advice on improving my grip and shooting technique. Here are some photos of the grip I normally use with and without my light/laser combo. I know everyone does it differently, and I would like to see some other options to try them out. Thanks for your input!
     

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    Nice pics of your grip. How's it work for you? I have found that I hit even further left with my support-hand index finger up on the trigger guard like that. On bothe the XD and 1911 platforms. I don't know why texture it as to imply thats where your finger goes.

    I'm trying to keepo that finger down now, and putting the support thumb on the take-down lever.

    Ken
     
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    my opinion: research the "thumbs-forward" technique on the internet. It looks like you are using a thumb-over-thumb technique which is more suited for revolver shooting. I do not put my finger on the front of the trigger guard. Also, IMO, it looks like you have too much trigger finger on the trigger. I use only the pad of my index finger, right in between the tip of my finger and the first joint. Also, my arms are not in a push-pull position as yours appear to be. I straighten and lock-out both arms.
    Check out the Travis Haley (Magpul) handgun grip video. . .

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9uG5bPubw]Travis Haley on Handgun Grip - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    HighFlyingA380 XDTalk 100 Member

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    KenW: Like this? If so, that feels alot more secure. One of my problems with my previous grip was that my finger on the trigger guard would slip off with the recoil, thus forcing me to re-grip for every shot. With the grip you suggested, my entire finger wraps around the trigger guard, and my thumb on the take-down lever will also help counteract the recoil. Even with the light/laser, I have a better grip around my strong hand, as well as the added help of the thumb. I can't wait to go to the range and test it out, especially with raid fire. Thanks!

    sschrick: That makes sense, I have been shooting revolvers since as long as I can remember, and I just now entering the pistol realm. With only using the pad of my finger, it would slip off and I would have to 'find' the trigger for every shot. I guess combining that advice with the new grip, I won't loose the trigger for follow-up shots. Also, great video! It helps me alot to not only hear what to do, but why (engineers mind). Thanks!
     

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    ya thats better. Now I dont know if thats normaly how you pull the trigger but if so you are usuing way to much of your finger to pull the trigger. Try using just your finger tip (that way you dont move anything more than u need to) it should help you be a little more constant and not pull to one way or the other
     
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    Cant your weak hand more at an angle (45deg). Feels weird but works better you actually feel the stretch from the canted hand.
     
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    ^^^This^^^
     
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    Yea what Agalindo said. Your support hand needs to be up more as high as you can get it on the gun. With your support thumb aimed in the direction of the target along the side of the frame just below the slide. Your wrist will fell stretched as far as you can get it at that angle which will give you better recoil management because you lock it in better.

    It does feel awkward at first. And keep your finger of the trigger guard.

    Thumbs forward grip technique.
     
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    KenW. XDTalk 1K Member

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    I like to cover the take-down lever with my thumb, and not place it above the lever as shown in your photo.

    If your support hand is slipping under recoil, you are not holding tightly enough. I've heard to use 60% of the gripping power on the support hand, and only 40% with the strong hand.
     
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    Wow, very proper technique there. I'm glad I ran across this thread. Thank you for that bit of info. Will definitely use that when I go to the range next time.
     
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    I've seen guys shoot with the support index finger on the guard that can shoot just fine. The problem I see with it is on the range, everything is nice and calm. When you get stressed (like in a self defense situation) your fine motor skills start to go. You also may experiance a sympathetic response where you are pulling the trigger with both index fingers, except one of them is on the trigger guard and throwing your shots off.

    I have always done a more thumbs forward grip, but close to each other. I had an instructor show me (with his glock) that he tried to get his thumb way down the frame for more control. I was shooting my XD45-Tac the other day and tried to put my support thumb against the rear edge of the take down lever. It felt weird, but it felt as if the muzzle rise was cut in half. Could have been a little bit of a placebo effect. I'm gonna work with it and see where it goes.
     
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    Also, put firm (but not too hard) pressure on the front strap and back strap with your firing hand AND hold equally as firm with your support hand as with your shooting hand. Death gripping the weapon will cause rapid fatigue and shake. Make sure your shooting hand is as high as physically possible on the grip (jammed up under the tang) and the index finger of your support hand should be firmly pinched between the middle finger and the trigger guard. All of this assures a consistent grip every time; and, this also creates a nice counter to muzzle flip because it is as close to the bore axis as possible, provides maximum resistance to the gun's movement when the shots break; and, combined with agalindo's tip above, helps the weapon to track (snap back onto target) naturally.

    I find that pointing my support hand thumb at the target gets me on target very quickly and hit center mass (or the T zone if desired) on a silhouette from 7 yards without the sights.

    Warning: The thing about this hold is that some shooters find that they thumb the slide stop lever which prevents it from locking back after the last round fired. You just need to train yourself to NOT rest your thumb on that lever.

    Additionally, I recommend using the largest back strap possible. The more grip you have to get your hands in maximum contact with, the better your control will be. It has been observed by many that larger grips also mitigate the low-and-left (right handed shooters) and low-and-left (lefties) that many shooters of the XD(M) have experienced.

    ETA: Disregard the mention of interchangeable back straps...I looked at your pics again and realized you don't have the M. IF you get the M though...
     
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    I've been using the off hand finger on the trigger guard for a couple of years now. It helps me control the recoil and get back on target quicker. I have kinda big hands and it works fine for me. My accuracy is just fine for a half blind old man.
     

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