Full Auto Sadness...

Discussion in 'AR Talk' started by thisguy41487, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. thisguy41487

    thisguy41487 XDTalk 100 Member

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    So I was unwise and ignorant about a month ago and decided that I totally wanted full auto capability for my AR. Not for the .223, but for my .22 conversion! I got my hopes up because the internet is full of all kinds of smutty garbage that can easily fool you, the first being the cheap and readily available full auto parts you can buy, and second, the people that use confusing verbiage when they explain how one might obtain a "FULL AUTO."

    I was reading up on it, and I went an entire page full of "just need background check and $200 tax stamp" and I got all anxious thinking "I can go down and buy a $20 full auto sear, a $20 select fire switch, pay $200 and get the lower registered, get the parts installed, and finally go enjoy some 0.8 seconds of ecstacy while 26 rounds of .22 go down range." Luckily for me, something slapped me in the back of my head and said "Wait a minute. You can't trust the interWEB! Go talk to someone in town who knows the truth." So I went down to the Class III dealer in Anchorage and I was destroyed by the truth... Primarily the parts that went "No, it has to be registered before 1986 to be transferable" and "$10,000."

    I just want to unload a solid stream of cheap .22 lead into some paper at the range. Is that too much to ask for?? I mean, can anyone feel where I'm going? And here's another question: Can active military buy unregistered military weapons (like full auto SCARs from FN)? What about Retired military? and WHY THE HELL WOULD LARRY POTTERFIELD (who I think must be the friendliest guy in the world) SELL FULL AUTO PARTS ON MIDWAY USA??
     
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    Gatling trigger cranks for 10/22s are popular.
     
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    aaron1984 XDTalk 500 Member

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    It ain't $10k your dealer is WRONG. I'm not sure about the 1986 part though.
     
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    Uh, you ever look at transferable NFA lowers recently? It gonna cost you AT LEAST $10K to get a hold of one, tends to run from about $10K up to $25Kish for something like a Colt. They are so expensive because there are a finite number of NFA registered weapons that can be transfered from person to person. YES it has to have been registered before May 19 1986 (Hughes amendment)
    (This is all assuming you are not a dealer)

    And the reason you see NFA parts for sale on sites like midway and such is to repair machineguns. If it were not for the NFA crap machinguns would cost no more than their semi auto counterparts as almost all the parts are identical.
     
  5. thisguy41487

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    This doesn't help.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I-GOAgrH8Q&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Edward Wilks - AR-15 / M4 Full Auto .22 Machine Gun Conversions & Uppers[/ame]
     
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    Cool video though!
     
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    NW-Warlord XDTalk 100 Member

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    So, what happens if your NFA registered receiver breaks? Do you just have a REALLY expensive paper weight then? I would cry like a little girl if I broke a 10-20K gun that could not be repaired legally.

    I have my eye on that 1919 at impact now... stupid WA state law not allowing me to have full autos.
     
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    there are other cheaper FAs that can be had for in the neighborhood of $3k last I looked.
     
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    SHHHH!!! Don't tell anyone!! That gives me less chance of getting one!
     
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    thisguy41487 XDTalk 100 Member

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    You said it bro. If that happened to me, I'd probably contemplate just dying from sadness... However, I'd choose life because my wife makes the best red velvet cake in the world, I don't know if I could take never eating that again.
     
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    I know with a regular receiver, you can send them back to the manufacturer for repair, even in that repair involves destroying the original and moving the same serial number to a new receiver.

    I haven't ever heard one way or another WRT a registered receiver.
     
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    If a machine gun breaks in such a way that the serial # would be destroyed/obscured by the repair, the weapon may not be repaired and must be destroyed according to the ATF's regulations and the ATF notified as such.. The weapon may not be transfered to a new Serial # as that would constitute registering a new machine gun (and we all know what the ATF has to say about that,) and from the wording on the ATF's regulations you cant even repair the weapon across the serial # and have the Serial # re stamped.

    Prety much unless you are gonna destroy the SN by repairing there is no reason not to try to repair it. *IF* it does break across the Serial # though, yea, very expensive paper weight.
     
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    This may have been answered before, but if you buy a pre 85-86 reciever, and with the proper paperwork, can it be converted to full auto?
     
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    There's gun ranges where you can rent full autos. Most of the ones around here are 9mm though. Not the same as owning one, but if you just need to get it out of your system once or twice it's fun.
     
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    The short answer is no.

    It has to have been registered/manufactured as a machinegun prior to the 1986 ban. Even if the lower itself was manufactured before 1986, you would have to file a Form 1 to "remanufacture" that lower into a machinegun.
     
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    I think I'd spend more time contemplating fraud.;)
     
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    You know, I've heard about ranges that rent firearms, full autos included. It's a sad day up in Alaska though. I don't believe any of the ranges up here have rentable weapons. I guess everyone up here who visits a range is expected to own a gun.
     
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    Find an estate sale with an old woman selling her husbands bring backs. Best way to get cheap full autos. Shhhhhh!
     
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    You know, now that you mention it, my mom says that my uncle died of cancer (rest in peace uncle Dave) about 15 years ago left behind a bunch of militaria firearms and my aunt refused to get rid of them. I should ask to see if he owned a full auto. My mom said he was a complete redneck, so there is a possibility!

    I could always go another route to. I could find an old rich woman, show her some love, and take her estate when she dies! If I could only convince my wife.... Hahaha! (J/k I love my wife... may she never see this post).
     

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