Favorite .380 defensive round?

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  1. lobster_roboto

    lobster_roboto XDTalk 2K Member

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    So I recently got myself a Bersa Thunder..

    I am currently carrying FMJ.

    I have heard/read that numerous defensive rounds will either not expand reliably or expand but not penetrate effectively.

    Thoughts?


    /searched.
    //not very good at searching.
     
  2. XDConvert9mm

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    I use Black Hills JHP for the Bersa CC. I'm not too worried about the expansion/penetration issue and never have been. I think a lot of people get way, way too hung up on stopping power and wound channels, etc. 2-3 shots placed well from a .380 HP round will turn anyone's day in to a bad one IMO.
     
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    I don't have my LCP yet, but have planned on using Corbon DPX. Even though it did not expand well (in one test I read it did not meet the 12" "standard"), it is designed to have repeatable expansion. I bullet inside of you is a bullet inside of you. For such a small gun, I would rather have the ability to get a bullet inside of someone rather than not have had the gun at all since it was too large.


    This is from Chuck Hawks:
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    From what I've read at tacticalforums and fireamstactical the best performing .380 hp is the [FONT=Verdana, Arial,stencil]Hornady 90 grain XTP JHP.
    My "car gun" is a bersa 380 and right now I would rather shoot fmj than some of the other HPs. Firearms tactical tested several brand name HPs and they preformed very badly with some penetrating only inches 7 inches.

    .380 ACP Winchester 95gr Supreme SXT JHP (Beretta 85)

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  5. agalindo

    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    I wouldn't trust what Chuck Hawks writes. There's no data to backup what he's writing and by the way isn't he he one that wrote .45 fmj are better for SD that hollowpoints. A thread I read a few days back.
    Stick with data and recommendations from independent unbiased terminal ballistics experts.
     
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    My Bersa had trouble feeding Gold Dots but no trouble with the UMC. I decided to have 1 GD in the pipe and the mag full of UMCs.
     
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    Yeah I hear what you're saying... My point of view is more along the lines that if the round doesn't do what it's supposed to do why spend the money on premium defense cartridges.

    If lets say round X at 25 dollars for 20 rounds is supposed to expand and consistently fails to do so... why spend 25 dollars on 20 when I can spend 17 for 50.

    It's more of a functionality thing than a ballistics thing for me.

    If a particular bullet expands to a .40 caliber but only penetrates 2'' consistently I would rather be shot with that 10 times than something that doesn't expand at all but only penetrates 3''

    I'm curious if I am making any sense at all.. I've been working a lot lately so I'm kind of tired.
     
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    jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 5K Member

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    I don't necessairly have a favorite .380 round. I am a Gold Dot fan boy just cause for my other weapons. I recently ordered some Speer 90 Gold Dots and shot one of them into some water jugs. Before the Gold Dot all I carried in the little .380 was Win. Silvertips. Never had a feed problem with them.

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    Not sure why that one petal didn't fold out. I assume it had something to do with the way it skittered down the first jug.
     
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    Thanks for the pics, I'll have to try those too, the Win. Silvertips tended to jam up my Colt .380
     
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    I like the Gold Dot. I have also used the Cor Bon . Both feed well in my guns (colt Gov. and Makarov). I have also used Triton +p quik shoks. Any of the three will end most hostilities if well placed. The QS may not penetrate as deep but it is no more that 4 or five inches to all but an NFL lineman's heart and even less to the Brain.
     
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    That's the .380 I also use as a backup gun. Colt Govt. Model .380

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    Corbon DPX. Accept no substitute!
     
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    Actually Corbon DPX penetration is unsatisfactory.

     
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    Tell that to the person who has a few of them in his/her body;)

    We are talking a .380, right ??
    Even at 6" ... With that expansion ... All the energy is being dumped into the bad guy.

    Want more, get a bigger gun!!
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    It's not about energy being dumped into a BG it's about the size, and depth of the hole created. The bullet has to reach vital organs and less than optimal angles. Pistol rounds do not have velocity and enough energy to cause damage via temporary cavitation. A BG is not directly effected by the foot pounds that are "dumped" into the body but by the tissue damage the actual bullet does as it traverses the body.
     
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    Understood, but you're a very bad guy to have more than two of anything in you that expands to .7+

    It's always been about shot placement anyway ....
    20 leaks from 10 bullets is less effective than one that hits the right spot. Wouldn't you agree ??

    If not ... Tell us what the best .380 round is .... IMO, the one shot stopper in this caliber is gonna be a fluke regardless.

    Myself,
    If I ever need my P3-AT for defemse .... I'll guarantee it will be empty when the cops arrive.
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    Agreed, it's about shot placement but consider this a BG shot at an angle bullet enters the arm at an angle then into the torso. With a bullet that penetrates 7-8 inches and expands to .70. This bullet might travers 5 inches of arm tissue and penetrate an inch or 2 into the torso. Now same BG same angle with a bullet that penetrates 12 inches but expands a little .50.

    All the test data I could find recommends the Hornady Tapp and the best performer with marginal test results. I would use them or FMJs for a .380. This conclusion is made from all the available, independent scientific, data I've been able to read. What do I mean by independent scientific data? Test done in accordance to strict published standards and properly calibrated test medium.
     
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    I use Corbon DPX and stand by it. I think it is the best of the lot of JHP's for this caliber. The .380 is a short 9mm so it has less power than a full 9mm. It simply will not match penetration with a normal 9mm round.

    If you want expansion, you won't do better than DPX. It will expand reliably, get in as deep or deeper than ordinary .380 JHP's, and maintain 100% weight. If you want a small hole going deeper than the JHP's use FMJ. If you want to split the difference, alternate them.
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    Good little pocket guns, don't think I would want it as a primary weapon or round. Decent back ups though. Good primary against a host of angry mice. ;)
     
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    +1 Thanks on the pics JIBR.
    I bought a box of the 380auto Gold Dots when I picked up my LCP Friday.
    I carry Gold Dots in my other pistols for SD.
     

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