Corbon PowerBall not very good

Discussion in 'The Ammo Can' started by agalindo, Feb 22, 2009.

  1. agalindo

    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    16,131
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alpine Texas
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0
    Interesting data posted by DocGKR regarding Corbon PowerBall. Seems it doesn't penetrate the minimum recommended, and it performs very bad on barriers.

     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. Rampant Colt

    Rampant Colt XDTalk 100 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2008
    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0
    Those bullet weights are much too light and lack the required sectional density to effectively penetrate intermediate obstacles and barriers [like arms, walls and sheetmetal]

    The wound profile of PoweR'Ball in calibrated ballistic gel indicates rapid bullet expansion, rapid energy transfer and shallow penetration. This is what occurs when you overdrive a bullet's construction with high velocity. More is being lost than gained.

    The wound profile of these rapid expanding, shallow penetrating handgun bullets are impressive-looking to folks that don't understand that penetration is vital, and arguably the key to producing reliable incapacitation. ..Not from "hydrostatic shock" or "ballistic pressure wave" as some companies or researchers would lead you to believe. There isn't enough evidence to hang your hat on with these iffy new theories. At low handgun velocity levels, bullet expansion and deep penetration is preferred over explosive expansion and shallow penetration like Glaser, Extreme Shock, RBCD, PoweR'ball and Magsafe have to offer.


    If your pistol won't feed conventional JHP ammunition, you have more important issues that need addressing than your ammunition feed profile.
    Modern autoloading pistols ie; Glock HK, Sig, Springfield, etc, will feed all but the most flat, wadcutter-type cartridges without modification or sacrificing any reliability.

    I will say this:
    If your pistol won't feed conventional JHP amo like Gold Dot, Golden Saber [especially Golden Saber!] Ranger, HST, your gun has something wrong with it, as these guns are designed to function with these types of cartridges.

    fix yer gun, not yer ammo
     
  3. Joeywhat

    Joeywhat XDTalk 5K Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2008
    Messages:
    5,625
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0
    Agreed. too light, too fast. Fast and light isn't necessarily bad, but there is a limit...and I think it's been crossed here.
     
  4. xdm4life

    xdm4life XDTalk 1K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    1,132
    Likes Received:
    42
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Grand rapids, MI
    Ratings:
    +42 / 0
    +1 they just expand much to fast therefore stop too shallow. i think they should really only be used if you have feed issues with standard jhp.

    speer gold dots FTW ;)
     
  5. DigMe

    DigMe XDTalk 2K Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2003
    Messages:
    2,137
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Waco, TX
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0
    Yesterday at the range there was a local LEO from a small town nearby doing his qualification. I asked him what they issue at his PD. He said they don't issue, officers choose their own and he chooses powerball for his .40. I asked him why and he spouted off velocity and foot/lbs. I mentioned the poor terminal performance (maybe I was out of line in that..I don't know..I hate to see a peace officer carrying subpar ammo) and he started saying some really creative stuff. When all was said and done the powerball will "crack an engine block but it won't travel through drywall" "it will flatten out to an inch in diameter" and it has "exceptional performance through windshields." I really wish I could have honestly let him know about the poor performance of powerball but I sensed that he had a lot of pride about it and plus who am I to him? I wouldn't trust me either had I just met me at the range.
     
  6. Blatch

    Blatch XDTalk 500 Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2008
    Messages:
    669
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Virginia
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0
    That .40 performance doesnt look too bad. I've got a box of them somewhere. Never shot any and probably wont. Just have them as part of my novelty/weird ammo collection.

    Corbon should slap some big Nosler type ballistic tips on them. Then at least they would look badass and steal Extreme Shock market share. :roll:
     
  7. HB of CJ

    HB of CJ XDTalk 1K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,767
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Ratings:
    +17 / 4
    Wow, what can I say. I carry Powerball. Came across some, paid the money and that is what I use....FOR NOW. This sort of information is, in spite of I not wanting to hear it, exactly what I need to know.

    Looks like I made another mistake. Well, that is how we learn. While on the subject, has anyone ever heard of or used Federal Expanding Full Metal Jacket .45 ammo? What exactly is this stuff? Is it any good?

    Anyway, back to Powerball, maybe I will just shoot off the rest of what I have remaining and start looking for another Corbon round using that all copper Barnes bullet. My dealer is a Corbon stocking dealer. HB of CJ

    Powerball Bo Bo Post
     
  8. Ridgerunner665

    Ridgerunner665 XDTalk 100 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2009
    Messages:
    315
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0
    Powerball is junk...not only that, it is junk that will get you killed.

    Federals Expanding FMJ stuff is OK.

    Just curious though...you're carrying a 45, why not use tried and proven ammo??? (230 grain XTP, SXT, RangerT, Golden Sabre, HydraShok, Gold Dot, HST, etc....230 grains of whatever flavor you like)
     
  9. DigMe

    DigMe XDTalk 2K Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2003
    Messages:
    2,137
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Waco, TX
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0
    The Corbon DPX copper JHP is a well proven round and I think it's the only Corbon round I'd be willing to carry. Its very expensive though. Id rather buy Gold Dot 50 packs Save the efmj and powerball for places where they aren't allowed to carry JHP.
     
  10. agalindo

    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    16,131
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alpine Texas
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0
    I agree with DigMe, the only time I would carry EFMJ rounds is if it was illegal to carry HP. Stick to a good quality HP, Gold Dots, Rangers, HST, Golden Sabers, or the DPX.
     
  11. nalioth

    nalioth XDTalk 2K Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,713
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Ratings:
    +15 / 0
    Scientifical studies are all well and good, but if you put 3 (or more) of anything center mass, I suspect your point will be made.
     
  12. agalindo

    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    16,131
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alpine Texas
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0
    In a perfect world you would be correct. Getting the threat to pose for you so you can do perfect angle, unobstructed, COM shots is the way to go. Now we just have to talk to the bad guy and have the agree to that.
     
  13. nalioth

    nalioth XDTalk 2K Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,713
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Ratings:
    +15 / 0
    That's why I said "3 (or more)" into COM.

    That doesn't mean a perfect triple tap between the ribs right into the heart.

    It means 3 solid hits into center mass (could be interspersed with non-center of mass hits, or even misses)


    This is why they teach folks to keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.
     
  14. agalindo

    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    16,131
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alpine Texas
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0
    No argument here about shooting until the threat stops. I think it's simplifying things to say 3 shots COM will stop a threat. There have been documented cases just recently showing that 8 to 12 shots will take some time to stop a threat. Yes any ammo will make holes in a BG but the more I can edge my advantage the better for me and that means bigger and deeper holes. Bigger deeper holes cause more bleeding that shallow smaller holes or shallow larger holes and when it comes down to it, barring a lucky hit to the CNS, bleeding is what stops a threat.
     
  15. nalioth

    nalioth XDTalk 2K Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,713
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Ratings:
    +15 / 0
    I don't recall saying anything about 3 shot stops.
     
  16. dollarguy

    dollarguy XDTalk 100 Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    369
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Shawnee Mission, Kansas
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0
    I have a brand new XDM 9mm and am looking to buy ammo. Ammunition To Go has Aguila 117 gr JHP at an attractive price of $133.95 + shipping. Have any of you experience with this brand? I hear a lot of bad comments on Wolf ammo but have never come across Aguila before.

    Second question is how does frangible ammo compare to JHP in knock down power for home defense?
     
  17. Rampant Colt

    Rampant Colt XDTalk 100 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2008
    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0
    Aguila IQ is similar in terminal performance to Triton Quick-Shok. It breaks up into four pieces and features shallow, unpredictable penetration.

    Save your money. [not to mention it leaves hard-to-clean silver streaks in the rifling]

    I have pics of recovered Aguila IQ slugs that i personally tested somewhere in my files. I'll post 'em up later on if ya want.

    We covered frangible ammo in another thread here. It's a waste of money. Use conventional premium JHP ammo
     
  18. Finnian

    Finnian XDTalk Newbie

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0

    The CorBon rounds review are not advertised or sold as car stoppers.
    As rounds that will penetrate barriers, in fact, just the opposite.

    They are advertises as home defense rounds for people who are concerned about over penetration. Who is beyond that apartment wall?
    Who is beyond that living room window or sliding glass door?

    Some times you don't need 14" or more of penetration, in fact, it could be too much. The round impacts and starts spreading immediately, big hole, not so much penetration. The plastic tip helps prevent jams when loading that HP cause on many weapons... And that same plastic tip shreds on impact helping the round mushroom out.

    It's a great round for what it is intended for. If you want street ammo to stop the idiot behind the wheel of a car, then yeah use a different round.
    No one round is perfect for every situation.


    Sometimes you need a lighter touch.
     
  19. Cuda66

    Cuda66 XDTalk 10K Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    Messages:
    13,432
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Kandiyohi County, MN--land of fields and lakes.
    Ratings:
    +33 / 0
    First off--for your first post, you dug up a four year old thread to reply to someone who's no longer posting here...

    Second--14" of penetration is actually considered ideal. Anything less than 12" is underpenetration.

    Third--Powrball goes through walls (plural) just like an FMJ.

    And finally--Powrball was developed as a cheaper training round for agencies issuing Glaser. When the craptastic ballistics of Glaser pretty much dq'd it for use, Corbon dreamed up a new market for Powrball. It was actually never designed as a defensive round.
     
  20. old_dog

    old_dog XDTalk Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2013
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Central Florida
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    This stuff is sold to those who do not know much about ballistics and are swayed by marketing hype. You can see pretty well controlled tests that show it does not penetrate or it penetrates more than a JHP because the tip remains intact.

    First concern is to save your life. Penetration is only an issue if you miss and there is nothing else in the way to slow the bullet and there happens to be more people than open space. Not too many stories of good guy civilians killing bystanders accidently. Sure it can happen but so could a meteorite hit you in the head; especially if you live in Russia. :)
     

Share This Page

Search tags for this page
.40 powerball ammo
,
.45acp corbon powrball
,
45acp power ball
,
45 acp powerball penetration
,
45 acp powerball ammo
,
cor bon power ball
,
cor bonpwr ball
,
cor-bon powerball
,
corbon power ball
,

corbon powerball

,
corbon powerball ammo
,
corbon powrball 45 acp
,
corbon powrball ammo review
,
is corbon power ball 45 165gr good
,

powerball ammo

,
powerball ammo review
,
powerball ammunition
,
powerball p 45 ammo
,
powrball 40 penetration
,
stocking guns deep and ammo