C.A.R. shooting technique

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  1. Verm

    Verm XDTalk 500 Member

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    From what I saw in the video clips, its basically pistol tight into the body and multi double taps and triple taps in rapid sucession to multiple targets at close range. Is that right? Can you give us a run-down on what you have learned from it?

    It's interesting and a bit different. Shooter definitely needs to have more than one magazine available at an instance.
     
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    that guy is really fast.
     
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    It allows you to switch between very close combat and ranged naturally. If you notice when the pistol is brought up to eye level, it's not extended but very close to your face so you are able to pivot and engage targets quicker than the traditional extended postions. The big thing is though is that your firearm is always ready to engage a threat even when at the ready and you have less problems of having a weapon wrestled from you should it become hands on. Think like a pendulum. The further out the weight is, the slower it takes to swing it around. With the weight close to you, you are able to spin quicker.
    Also the pistol is taught to be used as a battering device should it malfunction or you run out of ammo at close range. You can see him use that in one of the videos where he purposely jams the weapon, punches it into the face of the target then retreats to reload.
    I really like the shotgun techniques since that was my primary weapon when doing entry work and when inside a structure this system keeps the shotgun close to the body and controllable in tight spots.
     
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    thats awesome (expensive habit though) id like to learn that style but is it necessary to have a semi auto hand gun with a light trigger or can it be done with a DAO pistol?
     
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    ya he's crazy fast.. but it's clear he practices all the time!! if I had that kind of time to perfect a style of shooting im sure any of us could shoot like that..
     
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    that guy is a pimp with the shotty.

    he's my hero now. wow, these are cool videos. i'm going to need some lotion and kleenex.
     
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    It can be done with any pistol including revolvers. It's not about how many he pumps out, it's about the stance and the hold. What he demonstrates in the videos is the ready postion and how you can fire directly from the ready should you be rushed.
    When I practice, I usually will shoot two from the ready position then bring it up to shoot the third into the head instead of emptying out my mag. (unless I have the extra cash for a few extra boxes of WWB)
     
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    I watched a few of the vids and am totaly UN-impressed.
     
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    I second that. The guy is not a "pimp with the shotty," he's a guy who spends entirely too much of his time at the range. There is so much more to life than guns, as much "entertainment" as they can and do provide. Blasting holes in cardboard while looking cool means nothing to me.
     
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    (Sigh)

    Wish I could try that with my V10.
     
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    While he may not offer anything for those of us who shoot at the range, I will argue that his techniques are useful for those who do it FOR A LIVING. I sent this site to a number of cops and federal agents I know, and *every* one of them is passing it on to their station's/dept's firearms guys.

    And for the record he IS a pimp with the shotty.
     
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    [quote="icwtumn] The guy is not a "pimp with the shotty," he's a guy who spends entirely too much of his time at the range. [/quote]

    thats like saying "i could be an astronaut but i just dont feel like working out and learning math all the time."

    i bet when you were a kid you were the one that when he lost would be like "so i wasnt even trying" :roll:
     
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    Wouldn't striking someone in the face with the muzzle of your pistol like that damage the pistol?

    -Mitchell R. Drews
     
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    yeah but it might save your life
     
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    You make a valid point, hrmm, guess that gives me one more reason to buy a second gun and carry two. Bwahaha

    -Mitchell R. Drews
     
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    many different schools teach that "muzzle tap" handgun, mp, or shotty, generally by the time you've bridged that gap, you've ordered the suspect to the ground a few times, and he is "non-compliant"
    when you're an leo (i'm not) your weapon is like a can of oc, if it's damaged, just go get a new one from the armory. pluse you go into the room w/ a minimum of 2 operators, so your partner will use lethal force is needed.
     
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    They should send the guy to Iraq for some hands on practice.

    He would probably be called, "Robo-cop" junior or .....who knows? he might freeze under presure since his paper targets will have live faces, move and maybe even shoot back :shock:

    All jokes aside, it looks like a effective approach to close quarters combat. :wink:
     
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    I think this fellow could benefit from using the "Don's improved/super modified guide rod" with the optional broadhead attachment. Might be effictive for the blow to the face of the target :)

    When looking at the videos I was suprised how quickly his mag changes were. Interesting that he often changed mags before empty so he would'nt need to rack the slide. Never thought of doing that :)
     
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    I also noticed his fast mag changes. I make it a point to count my shots so I can change a mag before slide-lock. I was most impressed with the guy's failure drills. In the video where he tap-racks, I had to play it a few times to even catch it. I was sure he was doing something when his weapon jammed, but I wasn't sure what it was. Only when I watched it a few times and slowed it down did I see his tap-rack technique - it was too fast for me to catch the first time around.

    You can definetely tell this guy practices A LOT as all of his movements are done without any cognitive process. He seems to be on automatic pilot once the shooting starts.
     

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