Building my first AR

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  1. TripStar

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    Hello Everyone!

    I'm currently looking into building my first AR. I'm looking to get the best quality possible setup with a max budget of $2500. The parts listed below were quoted to me for $1,916.64 including tax.

    The retailer will be building the rifle for me and then walk me through how to break it down and clean it as part of the service of buying from them. I live in CT so this rifle has to be CT compliant.

    I have read that a complete Stag lower receiver is 100% milspec. I was originally looking for a Colt but those are too far back ordered and the retailer told me that Daniel Defense doesn't make them any longer. So they recommended Stag Arms.

    I'm posting this thread to get opinions on the quality of parts that have been recommended to me.

    For example....I'm not familiar with Troy Industries but I have read great things about BCM. So would it make sense to get all BCM parts in replace of the Troy parts etc.?




    List of parts:

    Stag Arms lower receiver including parts kit, buffer tube, and spring

    Magpul STR Stock - Pinned

    Hogue Rubber Grip

    Wilson Combat upper receiver loaded including gas tube and barrel nut

    Stag match target barrel

    Troy industries midevil muzzle brake - Pinned

    Troy industries bravo FF rail (either 9' or 11')

    Troy Industries gas block

    Les Baer loaded bolt carrier group

    Spikes Tactical heavy buffer

    BCM Gunfighter charging handle

    Troy Industries di-optic micro sights with tritium inserts

     
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    I'd recommend buying the LPK from G&R Tactical rather than the Stag kit. Only their Stag plus line is "milspec". BCM is a very high quality manufacturer, and you won't go wrong with their products. What is the intended purpose of this rifle? The current trend for defensive carbines has moved away from heavy match barrels toward light weight ones. However for a bench or varmint gun you may get better accuracy from that heavy barrel. Take a look at "the Chart", and specifically read the info found in the link to legacy explanation of features. You may find yourself rethinking some of your parts choices and possibly saving some cash in the process.

    Edit to add: You don't want the Troy micro sights. They won't co-witness with any optic that you may add down the line. The standard Troy sights are designed for AR's and are a great choice though. I'd use BCM F/A bolt/carrier group instead of the "loaded" Les baer. Most any H weighted buffer is fine. Why are you pinning the muzzle break? For compliance reasons? Take a look at the BCM Battlecomp. If I were building another AR, that's what I would change from your list. Hope my 2cents helps. Good luck on your build.
     
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    wow that's a long rail! :shock:
     
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    $1916.64 is a little pricey for that setup. Is that parts or are they charging you labor to assemble the rifle?

    Troy makes some nice parts. The shop did recommend nice parts, not "top shelf", but very good parts. Honestly, I think you could get more for your money.
     
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    If i were you i would skip the tritium sights and get regular sights and use the money saved for a light.
     
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    If you tell us what you intend to do with the rifle, it would help. As mentioned in this quote, I wouldn't use that barrel on anything but a target rifle. For hunting or defense use, I would go with something lighter weight. I have lightweight 16" barrels from both Daniels Defense and BCM, and really like this configuration.

    Also I have to agree with the recommendation of a BCM BCG and a standard H-buffer. The two pieces you listed are lots more cash for not much more discernable benefit.
     
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    Thanks for info guys...

    I will be mainly using this rifle for recreation purposes while I practice to enter some competitions. I want the best accuracy possible. The shop manager told me that the further the sights are separated the more accurate the gun will be at longer range. Hence the longer rail set up. They also told me a heavier buffer increases accuracy a tad.



    :arrow: You don't want the Troy micro sights. They won't co-witness with any optic that you may add down the line.

    Does co-witness mean I can use the sights when looking through the optics in case optics fail?

    At first I wont be able to afford optics anyways because I figured what I'm gonna want will cost nearly as much as the rifle itself.

    We discussed what I was going to do when i added optics down the road, and if i understand correctly, co-witnessing came up. However the shop did say I could get a kit that would allow me to mount my micro sights off to the side. This would allow me to use both optics for longer range and sights (rifle held on an angle) for shorter range. I've always liked sights with tritium inserts rather than the plain iron sight.


    :arrow: I'd recommend buying the LPK from G&R Tactical

    What is LPK? Not really following you there... G&R Tactical sells BCM lowers but they are out of stock. What did u mean by LPK?


    :arrow: Take a look at "the Chart"

    Is there a link to this "chart"?


    :arrow: Why are you pinning the muzzle break? For compliance reasons?

    Yes. I'm sure this is because the rifle has to be CT compliant.

    thanks for help!!! :)
     
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    I figure they are marking up the parts a bit to cover the labor of building the rifle. I figure the place has to make a profit somewhere. Plus it will be under warranty from them if they put it together rather than me just buying the parts and attempting to do it all myself.
     
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    Hahahahaha!!!! I got the joke!!!! Could you imagine all the hardware you could put on that!!!!
     
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    LPK=Lower Parts Kit.

    It is everything you need to finish off a stripped lower.
     
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    Oops. I thought I had included the link to Rob S's chart in my original post.

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html

    I'm guessing by competition you are thinking bullseye/national match type shooting rather than running and gunning (three gun) type shooting. So the heavy barrel makes sense then.

    Personally I like a long rail on my AR also. I run a LMT MRP with 14" rail gripping it around 12"" out. From the bench or prone it'll also let you mount a bipod further forward. Another advantage is the ability to move the front sight back in order to mount a surefire X300 at the 12:00 position. It's heavy though...

    Co witnessing your sights puts them in the same line of sight as the optic to be able to use the irons is the scope fails. The main reason to use the normal height sights is due to the ergonomics of an AR. The recoil buffer tube being in in line with the barrel puts your focal plane higher over the bore than other rifles. So you'll still want the normal height irons. If your goal is match style shooting you may be even better off with a good old carry handle for the adjustable windage/elevation. or a chopped version of the same. The Troy micros are really for other weapon systems with raised rails, such as the SCAR.

    I don't know about a heavy buffer increasing accuracy, but seeing as most manufacturers AR barrels are over gassed, they usually increase dependability. It's the same reason a full auto carrier is preferred over the semi. A little more weight increases dwell time giving the case a chance to shrink a little more before the bolt unlocks. Usually you'll want to experiment with the different weight buffers to see what will run most efficiently in your rifle.

    Since you need to pin your compensator I'll once again nudge you toward the Battlecomp rather than the Troy. It's probably the best all around compensator on the market taking into consideration performance, muzzle flash, & concussion. Battle Comp Enterprises, LLC | Slots Matter

    If you stick with the Stag barrel, make sure your gunsmith checks/reams the chamber for 5.56NATO. I think you'd be better off going with something like a White Oak or Noveske stainless for a precision rig though. http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/browse&category=ar15barrels



     

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