Bear Ammo from Russia is Berdan Primed!!!

Discussion in 'The Ammo Can' started by rayikeo2, Oct 29, 2008.

  1. rayikeo2

    rayikeo2 XDTalk 4K Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2008
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Kansas, N/E
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0
    Just looking at a catalog with Brown Bear & Golden Bear ammo in 9 mm, 30-06, 410 ga. Caution, this Russian ammo has the Berdan Primers and can not be reloaded on any normal American reloading press. So if you are a reloader don't buy Bear Ammo with the intention of reloading it. The Berdan Primers can not be deprimed with a center punch primer tool.
     
  2. TBAG809

    TBAG809 XDTalk 100 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2007
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Spring, TX
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    Brown Bear/Golden Bear are steel cased. You cannot reload them. Also, I dont know of any russian steel ammo that uses anything other than Berdan primers.?? Nothing new here.

    I use alot of the brown bear .223 for my ar15's. It's very accurate and cleaner than wolf. It's great ammo for the price.
     
  3. Joeywhat

    Joeywhat XDTalk 5K Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2008
    Messages:
    5,625
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0
    x2

    You don't really want to reload steel anyways...not sure why the primer type makes a difference.
     
  4. FALAZ

    FALAZ XDTalk 100 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Phoenix, Az
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    Some guys have tried reloading steel cases but they usually rupture on the first or second reloading. Steel cases can also ruin dies pretty quick. Most all U.S. made ammo uses Boxer primers. Originally designed by a British guy. Look into the case and you will see one hole at the bottom. this is where the flame from the primer comes through to ignite the powder. Other countries use Berdan primers. They use two holes in the bottom of the case. It was designed by an American guy. The boxer primer is pushed out through the single flash hole during the reloading process. The Berdan primer is removed with a special tool that pierces the primer from the outside and pry's it from the primer pocket, total PITA. Even though your not going to reload those steel cases, PLEASE pick them up and throw them in the trash. The coating keeps them from rusting to dust for a few decades.
     
  5. ForTehNguyen

    ForTehNguyen XDTalk 5K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    9,363
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Ratings:
    +31 / 0
    yea you dont really want to reload those casings
     
  6. tomfoolery

    tomfoolery XDTalk 5K Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2007
    Messages:
    7,623
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Cincinnasty, OH
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0
    Yep....you don't buy Bear to reload, you buy it because it's dirt cheap!
     
  7. mcb

    mcb XDTalk 2K Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,244
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    North East Ohio
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    Some of the Wolf steel cased is boxer primed. I believe its the black box stuff. There are guys successfully reloading steel 223 cases. Steel pistol cases reload even better. For that matter I have been reloading Blazer aluminum 45ACP with light loads successfully. Is it as good as brass, no way, but it can be done.

    But as other have pointed out most shooter choose Bear, Wolf and similar steel cased ammo for its cost not its reloadability.

    mcb
     
  8. nickb

    nickb XDTalk 5K Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2006
    Messages:
    5,880
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +10 / 0
    I had a guy tell me has does reload berdan primed brass but it's a pain. It takes 2 or 3 extra steps. He drills it out or something. He didn't mention steel.
     
  9. Jack the Toad

    Jack the Toad XDTalk 500 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2008
    Messages:
    864
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Southern Illinois
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0
    The black box stuff in7.62X39 is Berdan. I have never shot any steel case ammo that was boxer primed. Wolf, brown bear or Chinese.
     
  10. agalindo

    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    16,131
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alpine Texas
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0
    The wolf black box 9mm is boxer primed for sure, I'm pretty sure the .223 is also.
     

Share This Page

Search tags for this page
bear ammo russian 410
,
berdan primed ammo casing
,
berdan primed steel .223 ammo bear
,
berdan primers for golden bear 410
,
brown bear ammo.boxer primed
,

brown bear berdan

,
brown bear berdan prime
,
brown bear steel cased berdan?
,
can you reload brown bear
,

can you reload brown bear ammo

,
golden bear 223 ammo for sale
,
golden bear boxer primed
,

golden bear primer type

,
is golden bear boxer primed
,

reloading brown bear ammo

,
reloading golden bear 410
,
reloading russian 410 ammo
,
russian berdan
,

russian berdan priner

,
where can i get primers for golden bear 410