Atheist Chaplains - wtf?!

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  1. getanxd

    getanxd XDTalk 2K Member Founding Member

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    just saw the 'latest' social change agenda and testing the waters within the military that I really didn't see coming and that is the push to have - believe it or not - "Atheist Chaplains!" does that just define oxymoron or what?

    FoxNews this afternoon had a guy, Congressmen Jared Polis from CO (D), [believe it or not, a 'Democrat'] and another guy (civi) pushing the Atheist and Humanists 'religion' or 'belief' or 'group' that were pushing the military to adopt having Atheists as mil Chaplains! How can that be, really, logically??

    flabbergasting to me personally? I know there are a LOT of atheist on this forum, but this just doesn't make any sense to me? or maybe it's just ignorance of the military, possibly? who knows, it's beyond me, but our US legislators are at it again - Anti-Christian agenda...we must, we must, kill Christianity! crazy!

    (link added later FYI for inital original post)
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ush-to-create-military-chaplain-for-atheists/
     
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    hahahha...jeez what will they think of next

    Atheist chaplain goes out to shot soldiers...kicks em..."oh well...the're dead...they're in a better place...oh wait"

    What a joke our military has become due to the interference with a libtarded jackass that is working diligently to "fundamentally change" our country...

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  3. ArmyGuy45

    ArmyGuy45 XDTalk 10K Member Founding Member

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    So there symbol is a?
     
  4. getanxd

    getanxd XDTalk 2K Member Founding Member

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    pretty funny...I guess you meant a " ? " on their uni instead of a cross.
     
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    getanxd XDTalk 2K Member Founding Member

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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ush-to-create-military-chaplain-for-atheists/

    Members of Congress are set to square off over a push to create military chaplains for people who do not believe in God.

    The effort to create a chaplain for atheists and "humanists" has been building over the last several weeks. While the title might sound inherently contradictory, supporters say the point is to give atheists in the military someone who will pro-actively reach out to them and facilitate meetings.

    Jason Torpy, president of the Military Association of Atheists and Free Thinkers, claims that 23 percent of those in the military ranks assert no religious preference. And he argues chaplains are not providing enough "positive outreach and support" in the way "they do for all of those beliefs that aren't their own."

    As might be expected, the campaign is running into some heated criticism.

    Lawmakers turned away a Democratic-sponsored amendment last month that would have created the post -- and now, Republicans are trying to formally quash the idea, with an amendment to a defense budget bill that would require military chaplains to be affiliated with a particular faith.

    "When it comes to the idea of an atheist chaplain, which is an oxymoron -- it's self-contradictory -- what you're really doing is now saying that we're going to replace true chaplains with non-chaplain chaplains," said sponsor Rep. John Fleming, R-La. "It's just total nonsense, the idea of having a chaplain who is an atheist."

    Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., who is also an Air Force chaplain, said he often dealt with atheists who were simply asking about their problems.

    "What I have found is so many times people in our world today just need someone to listen," he said.
    But he questioned the idea of creating a new atheist-specific position, as there are other counseling services available.

    "They need to come at it differently instead of just saying we want an atheist chaplain," Collins said. "I think there's plenty of opportunities for them to talk."

    The Armed Forces has counselors of all kinds, including psychologists and psychiatrists. While calling a newly created post something else -- like a counselor -- might sit fine with the military, it doesn't satisfy those who specifically want a non-faith chaplain established.

    Torpy said current chaplains are not doing enough to embrace non-believers. Further, in response to the effort to require chaplains be affiliated with an endorsing faith, he said the Humanist Society is recognized as a religious organization by the one agency that matters, at least for taxes -- the IRS.

    "Basically, the standard is to be recognized as a church by the Internal Revenue Service," he said.
    The U.S. military could decide on its own to allow non-faith chaplains, but members of Congress are trying to both require -- and prohibit -- the post.

    Fleming vowed to oppose it.

    "Let's define what a chaplain is. A chaplain is a minister of the faith -- someone who believes in a deity of a spiritual life who is assigned to a secular organization," he said.

    Fox News' Jim Angle contributed to this report.

    this did not have that idiot i heard yesteday from CO, Jared Polis, Democrat Rep's comments. but anyway, there is the news article on this insanity! they have got to kill God/Christianity in our lifetimes period! i think they even restrict Chaplains on using the word 'God' or 'Jesus' now under certain circumstances?
     
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    New Rule: Atheism
    by Bill Maher
     
  7. N.E. Tx.XD

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    Agreed. Not much sense in traditional terms.
     
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    Why would it be unreasonable to provide chaplaincy services to atheist military service members?

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    New Study Shows Significant Atheist Military Population - Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers | Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

    A growing portion of our service members are atheist or agnostic. These foxhole atheist deserve to have the support provided by a chaplaincy service that fits with their world views.
     
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    The fact is that chaplains spend more of their time providing secular services than they do acting as military clergy. Given the portion of our military service members who don't have a faith and the realities of modern chaplaincy service it makes perfect sense.
     
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    When I served, Chaplains always seemed to address "spiritual" services and needs. Since I'm not an atheist nor agnostic, I have trouble relating to their spiritual ideas. Thus why mentioning traditional sense.

    But, I can see the needs for moral and ethical support, aside from the spiritual.
     
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    I have no problem with the military doing whatever it needs to support the men and women willing to give their lives in our service, regardless of whether "our service" is defined as our defense, our justice, or our war profiteering.
     
  12. getanxd

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    You are kidding right? if Atheism isn't a religion, how would one become an 'ordained' minister of atheism? i just don't get this other than just the 'non religion religion' forcing 'their' beliefs down everyone's throat or trying to kill something they supposedly don't care anything about? the church, the faith is a 'choice.' you can chose or not. there's no force to it and a Chapel is available, if you 'want.'

    It kinda reminds me of two siblings arguing over haves/have nots to their parents..."it's not fair" or something..."why does Suzy get to have a period once a month and i don't?" "Just because i'm a boy, it just isn't fair for me...you spend money on her at the grocery store every month and it's just not fair...waaah waaaah!" it's as crazy as that logic to me here.

    And 'death and dying' can be quiet a serious thing...you'd think if someone with a spiritual faith facing that or in the hospital dying, and the govt sent him into that sit, and this guy wants 'last rights' or whatever, i say give him a Chaplain. if an atheist doesn't, he chose not to believe in a higher power or a spiritual realm of life or the afterlife, it was his choice long ago and he didn't want to go into a base Chapel for that 'spiritual' need. i don't get it, i dont' get it.
     
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    I suggest you read through the articles I linked to. They explain it very plainly.
     
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    Trolls never kid. They troll.

    If a service member needs counseling with a difficult situation, then send 'em to a psychologist or psychiatrist. But to call them "chaplains"?

    There are no more "atheist chaplains" than there is "gay marriage". Both are oxymorons, despite what people or some misguided law or regulation states.

    As we all well know, legal status often times imparts no legitimacy whatsoever.
     
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    i did, but how are / or would they be ordained? you do have to go to school/college - a Chaplain is an Officer BTW. where is the Atheist school accreditation, etc.?

    comment: (this is just comment, see question above)
    BTW i should have posted this at some point: USAF '77-81...some of these legislatures, like the Loon i listened too from CO, pushing this may not have served in the armed forces...just pushing an agenda! And why don't they just ADMIT they have an anti-Christian agenda. one guy on here a year/two ago pointed out that these 'rules for radicals' agenda folks always try it in the military first. it is the closest thing to a kingdom with their "you WILL such and such" dictation or 'change' that is to 'rule' over the minions of the enlisted and all others too in uniform and then bring it into the US law next.

    the military is their petri dish so to speak and again, it is b/c of the "you Will..." stuff i heard while i was in.
     

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