AR 15 vs Ruger Gunsite vs M1A SOCOM

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  1. JTS

    JTS XDTalk Newbie

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    I've been looking at these 3 rifles for some time and wanted to get some feedback. I like the idea of the compact practical rifle that is easy to carry but still preforms well down range. Pretty much the rifle Jeff Cooper advocated for. Since that's where I got the idea I feel like the Ruger is the obvious choice but I'm not sold on the bolt action.

    I would either purchase the Ruger or M1A or build an AR in .308. Anyone with any experience shooting these? Anyone know why Ruger and the folks at Gunsite settled on a bolt action?

    Anyone have experience with a .308 in an AR platform? I feel like this would be the lightest gun of the three and I would think the recoil would be stout.

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    I'll throw my .02 in even though I only have an AR in .223/5.56 at this point. A bolt action is a tried and true technology. It's been around longer than the AR platform has and has shown to be reliable.
    As for the .308 round, it too has been around a while and has shown to be reliable, depending on what you need/want it for. While there are newer/better rounds out there, you will generally find more out there in the .308.
    I think the Ruger ir M1A might be lighter than the AR, but the AR has the better ability to be further customized. It all comes down to personal perference.
     
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    When Stoner was building the AR platform it was originally made to replace the M14 or the M1A(not 100% which one) thus being .308 caliber...The only .308s I have fired was my RRA lar-8, Remington 700 and the Fal, out of all those the recoil on the Ar was most manageable, BUT you mentioned the M1A which I am a huge fan of..although I have never fired one it is next on my list and I know that it is tried and true and a very accurate platform...Hard choice but if I were in your shoes I'd go M1A but its all about your personal preference and what it's going to be used for.
     
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    You really ought to stop that nonsense thinking and go w/ option 4.

    Option 4 would be the venerable Bersa Thunder plus, in black with a 15 round clip capacity. all black for the tacticool image we all seek and loaded with OO shot shells, I dare anyone to counter this!
     
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    Well first of all it's a magazine not a "clip". Second he wants accuracy down range 00 buck will not work for that.

    The AR or the M1a would be my choice but only because of the semi-auto factor. More shots on target faster. IMHO
     
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    my choice would definitely be the M1A Socom only because i really want one lol.
     
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    An AR-10 is the most modular of the platforms. If you want a 7.62mm rifle, that would be the way to go.

    You really need to be dedicated to the M14/M1A platform if you go that route.

    Neither route is cheap, but the AR is more user friendly when it comes to maintaince, cleaning, swapping out parts, etc.
     
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    So with regards to your bolt action question the reasons to get a bolt action:

    1) More reliable. Any action you activate with your muscles is more reliable than an auto. Reason is it is very hard for something to jam to the point you can't extract it. Just put some more muscle in to working the action.

    2) Cheaper/more simple. Two sides of the same coin. A bolt action is dead simple, and hence costs less to make. Always a nice feature.

    3) More accurate. This is why you'll find them on some sniper rifles. Since the action stays solid until you move it, and you don't move it until after the shot is completely clear of the barrel, it improves accuracy a bit. Now this isn't to say autos can't be very accurate, but a bolt action is still the gold standard.


    The reason not to get one? Well that's easy: firing rate. Since you have to work the action each time you shoot, your rate of fire will be a lot lower than if you have semi auto and just have to push the trigger.

    In terms of what to get I can't help you much as I haven't thought much on a 7.62 rifle yet. However I have to say if I was to look at a bolt action one, a Remington 700 would be on the list for sure.

    If I were looking at a semi-auto I'd give a look at the SIG716 since I like my SIG516 and also probably an FN SCAR-17. I'd probably look at an M1A too since hey, I like my XDm after all :).
     
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    I own a Socom 16 & a Dpms AR LRT-Sass both 7.62x51. Both shoot very well no probs out of either running cheap brass. I don't think you could go wrong w/any of the 3 choices. AR is a little heavier gun. My next purchase will be the Ruger Scout rifle though.
     
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    I like the SOCOM, but it is old technology. The AR is a natural as there are so many parts & mags for them. The bolt action will always work, they are very dependable & accuarcy is usually better than any non match semiauto. So it just depends on what you want it for. All will killl zombies, all will punch paper. Buy one of each, then you don;t have to make such silly decisions.
     
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    MINI 14 tac
    Bushnell red dot... Soon to be Aimpoint 9000SC
     
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    I would personally go with the Ruger Gunsite Rifle. Good all-purpose rifle. Not a go to war gun, not a dedicated deer rifle, but a great all around rifle. A .308 will kill pretty much anything you need it to kill.
     
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    Having shot both the M1A and the AR 10, I like the M1A better as far as shooting and recoil control.
     
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    I have been having this argument in my head fire awhile. Love the Ruger scout, love the AR platform, and I live the m1a as far as looks and history. I think one other option you should throw in is the Ruger mini 14 in 6.8spc.

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    Want .308 I'd go DPMS AP4. For the price you can shoot it and not worry about messing up your safe queen. It's accurate, proven, has P mags available for it, and DPMS will stand behind their rifles. If you ball, Knights SR-25 or LWRC Repr. To me if I could spend what I want I'd get a DSA FAL Para Congo. Sure it's not a OMG SCAR-17, but it's battle proven, accurate enough, and works.

    For myself, I want an accurate reliable beater. But, it's what you want and can obtain.
     
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    Its really a personal choice, any of them will perform well in various roles, the Semi autos will have an edge in a fight, but not to the exclusion of a good bolt gun if you adjust your tactics accordingly.
    The GSR wins in long term reliability, (especially under poor maintenance conditions) and lighter weight.

    With that said, I have 2 of the 3 you mention (Ruger GSR and M1A) have done both tactical type stuff and hunting with both, for everyday stuff, my GSR gets the nod easily. What it loses in speed of follow up shots to the M1A, it makes up for in weight and maneuverability. I would also rather have it in a long term survival situation with poor or little gun maintenance being expected. Also of my two specific examples, the GSR is quite a bit more accurate, but both shoot tighter groups than I do under practical shooting drills.

    My Ruger GSR is pretty much my current general purpose go to gun, so Ill concentrate on it as there are fewer folks with alot of experience with them.

    I bought mine through gunbroker when they first came out and have been impressed with it from day one. I have put a JP Brake on mine, free floated the bbl, glass bedded it and lightened up the trigger. It'll hold well under an inch all day long with ammo it likes, is very soft shooting with the brake (but very very loud, I may take the brake back off as Im not sure its worth the trade off under hunting conditions when you may not get an ear plug in.) Also I can carry it in one hand all day while trekking about, or sling it on a shoulder and not even notice it for the most part.

    I use a forward mounted, 2x-7x Scope on mine as is true to the scout concept. This makes for fast shots in brush at low power and good accuracy for longer shots on more distant game when more magnification is desired.

    I recently returned from a Texas hunt that I used it exclusively on. You will see it in action on an upcoming episode of "Ruger's Hunting Adventures" Television. Ruger did not pay nor reimburse me in any way for my use of that rifle for that show and did not even know that is what I was bringing until the day before travel.

    Here's some pics and comments.

    Accuracy:

    When I first bought it, box stock with PPU Match ammo
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    After bedding and trigger job, not much tighter but held the group for more rounds, more consistent
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    Original configuration
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    With JP brake and 5 round mag, one stock spacer removed
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    Game Taken so far

    Lil doe at 145 Yds, from a rested position, longest live kill with this gun to date

    ( different brake, didnt like that one)
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    Javelina at 50-60 yds:
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    Feral hog in brush at 70ish yds
    ( nice lil sow, she'll be good eatin)

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    Very nice buck at about 80yds
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    Although you ask about rifles intended for different primary missions, if I had to choose from those and rely on ONE of them to serve my real world needs, it'd be the GSR hands down.

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    Heck I'm off all week so I might as well comment on this one also...
    ( I'm not an expert but I currently own the following rifles stag 5.56, DPMS LR308 , and an older bolt action M77 in 308 )

    I really , really like the AR platform ( borderline obsessive according to my spousal unit )
    It offers modular platform that is easy to plug and play with different barrels , stocks , ...endless options )
    However , I love the M77 bolt gun ( I have also owned & shot 243 bolt gun ) M77 are easy to adjust trigger and older models from late 80s early 90s have pretty good triggers ... Bolt guns are lighter and easy to shoot and do not require lots of mods to shoot very well --- I am going to sell my older M77 and throw a few extra bucks down for a gunsight scout as soon as I'm able. I have been waiting for the craze on this weapon to die down , but Ruger has done something special with this rifle.
    Also in research I have also found that savage is looking at the immense demand for this type and already has their version ready to go ...this should help demand settle for the Ruger
    Not sure if I helped , but just general rambling I guess
     
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    Does anybody know where Gunsite scouts are in stock? I can't seem to find one anywhere, the gunshop i go to says his distributors are out as well.
     

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