Anybody know about 8MM Mausers?

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  1. 19delta

    19delta XDTalk Newbie

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    My father recently gave me a 8mm mauser that was my grandfathers. On the receiver it says Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka, A.S, Brno with VZ24 below that. On topped it's stamped 1937. I'm trying to find out more about this rifle. As it hasn't been fired in forever. And would like to take it to the range:D . Any help appreciated.
     
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    Majk XDTalk 3K Member Founding Member

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    I know there are several on here that know about mausers.

    I think brickboy know about them.

    I've got one but I know it's a 8mm and it shoots well, that's about all I know. ;)

    Somebody will get you some info to help you out. I think you'll really enjoy shooting it. Congratulations on getting it.
     
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    bama XDTalk 100 Member

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    From the Blue Book:

    Current manufacturer located in Uhersky Brod, Czech Republic, 1936-current. Previous manufacture was in Strakonice, Czechoslovakia circa 1923-late 1950s. Newly manufactured CZ firearms are currently imported exclusively by CZ USA located in Kansas City, KS.

    Previously imported by Magnum Research, Inc. located in Minneapolis, MN until mid-1994. Previously imported before 1994 by Action Arms Ltd. located in Philadelphia, PA. Dealer and distributor sales.

    Ceská Zbrojovka simply means Czech weapons factory. CZ's full name is Ceská Zbrojovka a.s. Uhersky Brod, often abbreviated to CZUB a.s., meaning joint stock company. Uhersky Brod is the town the factory is located in. Zbrojovka Brno means weapons or arms factory located in Brno.

    Zbrojovka Brno was built in 1916-1918, as a subsidiary of the Vienna Arsenal. After WWI, this factory was given the responsibility of providing the newly formed Czechoslovakian military with infantry weapons, specifically rifles and light machine guns. Circa 1923, pistol manufacture was transferred from Brno to Ceská Zbrojovka, located in the town of Strakonice, southwest of Bohemia. Since the location change, Zbrojovka Brno has never produced pistols on any great scale (please refer to the Brno section in this text for more information).

    Ceská Zbrojovka Strakonice began developing many innovative and revolutionary pistol designs. These models, including the CZ-24, CZ-27, and CZ-52 are certainly well-known throughout the world. During the mid-1950s, CZ's facilities were converted to making motorcycles and precision engineering products.
    Ceská Zbrojovka, located in the town of Uhersky Brod, was founded in 1936, as a subsidiary of Ceská Zbrojovka Strakonice, in a government decision designed to move firearms production further away from the German border, and out of the reach of German bombers. Uhersky Brod is located approx. 60 miles east of Brno. Before WWII, the factory produced aircraft machine guns (LK-30), the military pistol (CZ-38 in 9mm Para.), and rifle Models Z242-Z247. During WWII, the factory was taken over by the Germans, and the facilities were used for the production of aircraft machine guns (German designed MG 17s) and related components for other models of military weapons.

    Shortly after WWII, Ceská Zbrojovka Uhersky Brod resumed production of firearms for the civilian marketplace, including the CZ 241 semi-auto shotgun, and some O/U shotguns. The production of pistols commenced during the mid-1950s, with the introduction of the Model CZ-50 and other small pistol models named DUO in 6.35mm cal. Up to this point, the main pistol producer in Czechoslovakia was CZ Strakonice as stated above. The CZ-52 pistol was the last model they produced. Since the end of the 1950s, Ceská Zbrojovka Uhersky Brod has become the sole producer of pistols.

    After WWII, the Ceská Zbrojovka Uhersky Brod became massively involved in other types of production besides sporting and hunting firearms. Production reached a high during the 1980s, when hunting/sporting firearms manufacture resulted in approx. 30% of total production. The balance of manufacture was devoted to the production of power hydraulics for tractors, while gears and accessory drive boxes for speed reduction in turbo prop airplane engines made up the rest.

    During 1964-1966, the Czech government transferred the production of long guns from Zbrojovka Brno to Ceská Zbrojovka Uhersky Brod. During the 1970s & 1980s, the arms production of Zbrojovka Brno accounted for less than 3% of its total capacity. The activities of this company were diverted into the production of typewriters, diesel motors, and automatic machine tools. While many firearm designs originated in Brno, Zbrojovka Brno was not the manufacturer. Because of this, the long guns manufactured in the mid-1960s, including the ZKK 600-602 series and ZKM rimfires, were manufactured in CZ Uhersky Brod. Because of the Czech government's decision to merge manufacture within both companies, the Brno trademark was also used by Ceská Zbrojovka Uhersky Brod.

    This relationship was terminated in 1983, when both companies became part of the Agrozet conglomerate. While confusing, the arms utlizing the Brno trademark were not produced in Brno during this time. All firearms exported from Czechoslovakia at the time carried the Brno logo, and most of them were manufactured by Ceská Zbrojovka Uhersky Brod.

    During 1975, Ceská Zbrojovka Uhersky Brod designed and began manufacture of the famous CZ-75 pistol. Production in quantity began in 1977. To date, over 700,000 CZ-75s have been produced. This semi-auto has been made in many variations and/or modifications to suit many military and commercial contracts. During the mid-1980s, the CZ factory released the CZ-85, basically a CZ-75 with ambidextrous safety and slide stop. In the mid-1990s, production of the CZ-100 began - this new model featured a polymer frame. The CZ 550 line of rifles was also introduced at this same time.
     
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    Go to surplusrifle.com,they have good disassembly instructions,etc...The 24 denotes a model started in 1924 and was made to around 42.
     
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    chupacabrachus XDTalk 5K Member

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    +1 Surplusrifle.com is a great resource. I don't know if there are any mauser specific forums out there, but I be the fellas over at http://www.sksboards.com/forum/ can answer most of your mauser questions. Just make sure and post in the "curio and relic" forum: http://www.sksboards.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=29&sid=34ad4698b236f47092181cd92b523595
     
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    they can blow up easily. I'll PM you my shipping address for safe disposal :)
     
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    Congrats! You have a Cezch made VZ-24 Mauser. This is a true 98 Mauser action, not a shortened action like the later Yugoslavian M48 Mausers so common today. It is chambered for the 8x57mm Mauser round.

    The 8x57 is in the 30-06 power class. We yanks actually developed the 30-06 and our own 03 Springfield from this 98 Mauser design and paid the Germans for the rights to do so. The European loaded 8x57 rounds are hotter than the commercial stuff form the US big three makers. The US big 3 ammo makers were worried about somebody blowing up an older M1888 Mauser, so they backed off the powder and loaded a .320" bullet instead of the original .323" bullet. Because of this, you may expereince accuracy drop-off and have to adjust your sights for the lower powered US made 8mm ammo. The US made 8mm ammo puts the 8mm into the 300 Savage/30-40 Krag power class, not the 30-06/308 power class of its original Eurpoean loadings.

    For practice, I use the inexpensive milsurp ammo from Aim Surplus or other online retailers. For hunting, I buy the Czech made Sellier & Belliot 196gr round nosed soft points that are closer in power and weight to the original German 8x57mm loading. The S&B soft points run about 8 bucks a box of 50 from several online sellers. I stay away from the US loaded 8mm Mauser...its too inaccurate and underpowered.

    The Czechs made very nice Mausers. They built some VZ-24s for their own army and thousands more for foreign contracts with Romania and other nations. They also built the beautiful Turkish Long Rifles in the same factory. That Czech factory turns out some beautiful firearms, from the excellent CZ-75 pistol to the newer CZ bolt action hunting rifles thay still make today for the commercial market.

    If your VZ-24 has a lion crest on the top of the receiver, it is probably a Czech Army issue piece. The Romanian contract VZ-24s had no crest and many had no dates, either (mine has neither). There is some proof mark on the side of the receiever that denotes Romanian contract VZs, but I forget what it is.

    Right now, 8mm Mauser ammo is incredibly cheap and everywhere. Have the headspace checked on your VZ-24 and buy a case of surplus ammo and blaze away. They're lots of fun. Remember that most milsurp ammo is corrisive, so clean up accordingly and you'll never have a rusty bore.

    You have a very nice rifle there...shoot it and take care of it because it will last a lifetime and then some.

    I actually own three Mauser 98 variants; a VZ-24 Romanian Contract rifle built in the early 30s, a CZ made K98k built during Nazi occupation in 1943 and a sporterized G33/40 WWII issue Mauser...all in 8mm. I also own a 22-250 varmint rifle built on a 98 Mauser actin and two 96 Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55. I love the Mauser actions and they're probably my favorite bolt gun design.

    - Brickboy240
     
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    Most of these rifles were used by the Germans in WW2 after the incorporation of Czechoslovakia into the Riech. You can see pictures of German troopers carrying this rifle (it has the bolt cycle lever sticking out from the bolt rather than being bent ). Other than that and the front sight (winged, rather than hooded), it's almost identical to any of the other Mausers you'll see at the gun shows.

    I have one, but I believe it was used to shoot AP rounds as the throat is shot out and it's inaccurate as hell. Not at all as good as the other Mauser's I have (K98, K98k, Persian, and an old Turk).

    Good luck with it - if it shoots accurately, it's a fun, cheap rifle to spend a day with.:D
     
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    The VZ24 series are among the top 2 or 3 98 Mausers to have. I built a 25-06 around a VZ action several years back and it is now one of those guns you wish you hadn't parted with.

    Definitely get the European ammo for it for hunting or serious work.

    I currently have a Turkish Mauser in 8mm which I've re-worked into a scout style rifle. It's one of my all time favorites. It just flat shoots great! Hits like Thor's hammer and kicks back plenty hard too. Never misses though unless I screw up.

    Most folks keep them original and just shoot them, being that yours seems to sound like a family gun, I'd probably keep it original.
     

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    Thanks for the info. Surplusrifle.com had good instructions. I'm looking forward to shooting it.
     

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