9mm PD 124g JHP Loads

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  1. nicholaschase29

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    Hi everyone

    I have an XD-SC in 9mm that i'm loading for. I've previously used berry's plated 115 grain bullets using 4.3-4.6 grains of bullseye powder with an OAL of 1.125". They seem do fine but I have not tried any other length, powder, charge comparisons for accuracy.

    I'm going to buy more primers this weekend and possibly different powder if there is a strong suggestion for use in the XD.

    Do you guys suggest a certain powder/charge/OAL for this bullet in the XD?

    Also, is there a general sweet spot for velocity/charge that I should be aiming for? (is there an advantage to loading toward the lower or upper charge range)

    Thanks,
    Nick
     
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    COL: I like to use as long a COL as I can that fits the magazine and feeds and chambers. COL is something you need to play with if accuracy is important. If not, and the ammo works, then there is no need to consider a COL change. Your COL is about mid-range and will probably work in many different guns.
    Powder: Most people today judge a powder by how much it costs and how "dirty" their gun gets. Bullseye falls into the "dirty" powder category.
    For 9x19, I prefer Silhouette and HS6 (for near max loads) and WSF, AA5, and 231/HP38 for light to mid-range loads. AA5 seems to about the most accurate for all loads except full power. AA5 and Silhouette are also VERY good in .40S&W.
    Velocity: 1100-1200 fps for 115gn bullets, but your gun may like them lighter or hotter. 9x19 guns are very different in what they like.
    Bullets: Any bullet except plated. Buy a box or two of Montana Gold 115gn JHP or 124gn JHP. Fantastic bullets, with cost inline with plated. I prefer cast lead over plated in ALL my 9x19s. Bulk purchases are your friend.
    If your present load is fine, there is no need to change. If you are interested in "improving" things, we would need to know what you want to improve.
     
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    Like Noylj says, what you are trying to acheive is important to knowing what to suggest. In general, however, especially with 115grn bullets in 9mm, you should be loading more towards the upper end of the data for those bullets as weaker loads may not fully cycle the slide and cause various malfunctions.

    124grn and greater will be a bit less picky about operating the slide, but a power factor of at least 125-130 and up with any bullet and powder combination will be most likely to function better in a 9mm. Power factor is bullet weight X velocity / 1000. So a 115grn bullet would have to be going 1086fps at the absolute MINIMUM to acheive the power factor necessary to run the gun. In a car you put in the gasoline of the correct octane to run the car. In a gun, you put in the cartridge of the correct power to run the gun.

    I'm sure someone here will argue with what I said, but it's been my experience. Take it for what it's worth.
     
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    I don't currently reload, but I have shot a friend's 124gr JHP reload through my XD9sc. He tended to load them with a bit less powder, and I found they wouldn't always reliably cycle. I forget the brand of powder, but the load was around 4.3, if that helps.
     
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    Thanks for the tips! I know ultimately i have to try different combos to see what I like best and what the gun likes best. I'm just wondering if anyone shoots 124g PD JHP in their xd-sc and can give me their favorite/accurate load for target shooting so I can have a starting point. Like I said i've only tried the bullseye combo.
     
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    I reload for my XD's, SC and 4" service 9mm

    I use Precision delta 124 gr RN bullets, 4.2 grs of Titegroup and CCI or Winchester primers

    OAL is I recall is 1130...

    This combo shoots well in my guns
     
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    BE would be a 2nd to last choice for me in any service caliber, TG is my last choice. It's just cruddy/dirty & burns far too fast IMO for rounds like the 9mm or 40. TG, too fast & too samll a charge volume for most calibers. W231/HP38 is a better tool as are about 6 other powders. WSF is a fine medium burner in the 9mm & 40.
     
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    What works in one gun may not work in another.

    My Series 70 .45 acp doesn't like short loads. Ammo that feeds through any other 1911 I own may not work in the series 70.

    My Browning BDM (9mm) wouldn't reliably feed my 147 grain lead reloads. My 5.25" XDM eats them like candy, one after another, magazine after magazine. Same loads in both guns, one works, the other doesn't (actually I tried several different seating depths in the BDM, it just didn't like the truncated cone lead bullets.)

    If I have a gun that has issues I measure a factory load and try that length. No luck there, I try a different bullet style.
     
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    I picked up some HP-38. We'll see how it works out.

    Looking in my manual for SP, TMH, and GD-HP it shows an COL of 1.260 and a max load of 5.3 grains and min of 4.8 of WIN231.

    Is this a good starting point? I have read 231 is the same as HP-38 so i selected that data. I know the 1.125 COL worked well in my gun, should i change to 1.260 or continue with 1.125 to start?

    Thanks
     
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    I have found this to work in all my 9mm, from my XD SC, Service, XD(M) 3.8, 4.5 & 5.25, CZ, Glocks, Berretta. It meets USPSA's Minor 125 Power Factor, last average was 129 out of my 5.25. I like the 124 gr bullets over the 115 gr, want to try 147 some day.

    124 gr Precision Delta RN, 4.3 gr Win 231, OAL 1.150

    Yes, HP-38 is a few bucks cheaper (normally) and the same as Winchester 231. That load data seems a little hot to me, but I'm use to loading 124 gr not 115 gr bullets, I would start on the low side of those numbers you found.

    The max OAL for 9mm Luger of 1.169. So don't go 1.2xx, I usually set them to 1.145 - 1.155, you could stay at 1.125 if your gun seems to like that. The lower the Overall Length, the more internal pressure you are creating, I found 1.150 to be a good balance. Load 10 - 20 different rounds and try them out, start on the low side for powder and work your way up if needed. Your not going to find that perfect match on the Internet, get some good starting points from many sources and learn what works for your grip, your gun, etc. Do you have a Chronograph, are you crimping your rounds, how are you testing accuracy, with a rest and bench?

     
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    As an aside, I guess I would add that when I'm looking for a powder for a new loading, one of the things I look for is a wide range in the loading data for for a bullet choice. That is... if the powder is rated for only 4-5 tenths of a grain between minimum and maximum loads with the bullet I want to use I generally look elsewhere for a powder solution. A powder that has more like a full grain or more range is more likely to get my attention for that bullet choice. It's even better if that range also extends to more than one bullet in a particular caliber. There are exceptions of course, but narrow range powders are not for the beginner or the causual reloader. For this reason I like medium and slower burning powders especially if I am new to the caliber or experimenting with a new bullet type. For this reason, I would add Silhouette (I concur with Noylj on this) and even Longshot to Fred's suggestions (in some other posts) about Unique and WSF for 9mm loadings, as well as even 231.
     
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    iCreek wrote: "...The max OAL for 9mm Luger of *1.169*. So don't go 1.2xx..."
    Not to be argumentative but...IF the round at 1.2xx fits the magazine and feeds and chambers, then 1.2xx is a perfectly fine COL. Now, I have never found such a 9x19 barrel or magazine, but if it exists, then that long COL may be needed to get decent accuracy.
    I imagine, though, that the manual actually referenced a COL of 1.060" as manuals reference the minimum COL that the data applies to (or someone is looking at .38 Super data and NOT 9x19 data).
     
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    You have to read CAREFULLY. You are not going to get an OAL of 1.260" to run in any 9mm, typo maybe? OAL is ALWAYS gun & bullet specific, so if your gun is happy @ 1.125" OAL W/ that bullet, then stay there & work your load up from starting. If your OAL is a lot shorter than book data, be aware that your pressures will be higher as you get closer to the top end.
     
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    1.260" OAL is a .45ACP common OAL. 1.275" being max. In my medical opinion it's probably probably a little long for 9mm...
     
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    Yes, I know that. The OP was originally talking about 9mm. The thread title kinda indicatets that too. SO my point, be very specific & pay attention, numbers matter.
     
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    Here's some data from Lyman 48. I think i have a good starting point now.

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    Keep in mind that OAL is only good for that bullet or one that looks just like that. A RNFMJ will load longer. Always start low & work up. I am not a fan of starting data, never seems to run in most semiautos, so I start 1/10gr abv. starting & work up in 10rd lots 1/10gr at a time.
     
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    The title of your thread reads 9mm PD 124g JHP Loads. If you are loading 9mm for personal defense you'll want a powder that burns slower than HP38/W231. I've had many years of experience loading 9mm and one of my favorite powders for velocity is Vihta Vouri 3N37. I also used Vectan SP-2 which is no longer available and HS-6 along with Blue Dot. The problem with Blue Dot is that it has a very bright muzzle flash at night and that's a very bad thing for a defense load. Highest velocity loads using Blue Dot achieved excellent accuracy.

    When V-V powders came along I began using 3N37 and V-V load data which is tested by the CIP method that is different from the current American (SAAMI) method that gives values in PSI. The CIP values are actually much closer to the older CUP method of pressure testing that was used up until the late 1980s. That's when American 9mm ammo was down rated to 35,000 PSI. It's also when we began using the +P designation which has a SAAMI max pressure of 38,500 PSI. Although the test methods are different and some claim that there is no correlation between CUP and PSI. What I have found is that the SAAMI max for +P at 38,500 PSI is nearly identical to the older CUP testing method of 35,700 CUP which was the original design pressure of the 9mm Parabellum.

    Naturally, the Europeans use the metric system for OACL measurement and V-Vs recommendation for most of their 9mm loads is 29mm which equals 1.142". So that's the length I used and 3N37 delivered the goods. Problem was I also had a CZ P-01 that had a short chamber. Using the Remington 124 gr. JHP the longest I could go with the load to touch the rifling was 1.127". I wanted to allow for .005" of free-bore so I reduced OACL by that amount. 1.122" which is 28.5mm and an OACL that V-V also used for some lightweight 9mm loads and still do today. 3N37 yields a very low flash signature even though it will achieve velocity as high as is safe for the 9mm. Problem is that it is a little expensive. I also mentioned HS-6 which will also give high velocity but it can flash in high pressure cartridges.

    Where I got lucky was when Ramshot Powders came along. I found out that Silhouette is exactly the same powder that was once sold by Winchester as WAP (Winchester Action Pistol) but was discontinued. I also found that Silhouette performs a lot like V-V 3N37, they even look alike. Silhouette also has a flash signature lower than almost any powder I've ever seen. It is also said that it is the original powder Winchester used to develop the .40 S&W cartridge. So what I would recommend is that you try some Silhouette and load to an OACL of 1.122"/28.5mm or determine the max length you can go to in the XDm chamber and then reduce the OACL by .005 for some free-bore. SIERRA lists a max charge at 6.1 grs. for their 125 gr. JHP which has probably the longest bearing surface among any bullet in the 124/125 weight class so I like to see data where the 125 gr. SIERRA is used. 5.5 grs. would be the start charge. I have used both the Remington 124 gr. JHP as well as the 124 gr. Golden Saber but I got better accuracy with the standard 124 gr. JHP. This bullet penetrates very deeply but with enough velocity it expands well and penetrates less. It's old school but it works very well.

    There are just a handful of powders that IPSC shooters use to make major caliber with the 9mm. They use race guns and OACLs longer than what you find or can fire in 9mm service pistols so DON'T try it. What I am saying is that the powders they use will achieve very high velocity in order to make IPSC Major. V-V 3N37, HS-6 and Ramshot Silhouette are three of the most popular powders used.

    If you want to load your own defense loads, the combination of Silhouette (High Velocity/Low Flash) and the Remington 124 gr. JHP is a tough combination to beat. If you prefer the Golden Saber it will also work very well. ;)
     
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    Like 57K I am also quite fond of Silhouette in .40 caliber. While I find that Longshot will wring out more velocity, the overall feel of Silhouette in the recoil cycle, the lesser blast, and as he mentions, the flash signature, make it a very pleasant powder to use for most loadings in 40.

    I am also getting fond of it for 9mm for some of the same reasons. Though I don't anticipate shooting 9mm major with a race gun, a lot of useful stuff can seemingly be done with it in 9mm too with normal guns and loads.

    As Fred often says, OAL is gun specific and can only be determined with the bullet shape you intend to use. 57K also alludes to this and gives a thoughtful analysis of how he gets to his own OAL for a particular load. I think those thoughts are on the right track too. Start low and slow, and get to long and faster with experimentation.
     

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