460 Rowland!!!

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  1. jwoolf

    jwoolf XDTalk 500 Member

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    I've got to have one!

    I'm going to have to buy a 1911 and convert it.

    For those that don't know, the 460 Rowland round is the 44magnum of automatic pistol rounds.

    Imagine shooting a 185gr bullet at 1940 fps... hitting a target with over 1500 foot pounds of energy. LOL For those IDPA shooters, this renders a 358 power factor.

    Get this.... you can still shoot your 45 acp ammo through it but, I imagine you'd have to change your recoil spring back to a 16 pound spring.

    I'm going to have to buy a gun just to do this with. Maybe a springfield milspec or something like that and convert it with a clark kit. so, at the end of the day, you get a 45 auto that is like the 38 special and you can chamber 460 Rowland, which is, no doubt the 357 magnum that chambers in the same gun... except the Rowland cartridge is about the same energy as a real 44 magnum round.

    Almost 2000 fps with a 185gr bullet!!!! Hell, that is serious energy.... Hell, a 308 will only shoot a 180gr bullet at about 2800fps. You can get 2000 fps from a pistol!!!!

    All of you 10mm junkies, take note.

    I want to go to the range and pull the drab little 1911 out... run of the mill 45 auto and go BOOM

    I reload so, reloading them would be no big deal... just use my current reloading equipment. Just need the pistol conversion kit and the correct brass to reload. You shoot the same 45 acp bullets. This would be a novelty item and, nobody needs a pistol to shoot like a high powered rifle but, what a hoot! I'm not going to convert my expensive 1911 but, I'd love to get a little compact pistol maybe and make it shoot a one foot flame out the barrel! LOL It'd be small enough to carry. Hmmmm.

    Here's a link: AKJ Concealco: Information About the .460 ROWLAND Cartridge

    Don't miss this: YouTube - Johnny with MGI

     
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  2. HiVelSword

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    Wrong forum so your thread will probably get moved.

    Anyway, the .460 Rowland isn't anything new. It's been around for years. And not for nuthin' but the .44 Automag is the .44 magnum of auto pistol rounds. It would be more accurate to say that the .460 Rowland is the .44 mag of 1911 pistol chamberings.

    One question though. Where'd you find that 185/1,940 fps load?

    Edit: Nevermind. That velocity is from a Mec Tec conversion (16" barrel), not a pistol. You must've missed that.
     
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    even assuming you reload, this is in no way gonna be a cheap hobby! good luck with that!
     
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    It would make a great round for pistol hunting pigs or anything else deer size. I would imagine that bullet construction would be the only downfall. I looked into this conversion at one time but passed it by.
     
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    Yeah, I did miss that. I don't know why anyone would "need", one of these but, I don't need one either but, you have to admit, it'd be fun to have. I've already got a nice 1911 that I wouldn't dream of doing this to but, if I found an old beater pistol that needs some love and convert it, I'd be pretty tempted to do that to it.

    It's appealing because, 1.) you can use your existing die set to reload it. 2.) you can shoot the same bullets through it too. 3.) It fits the 1911 platform and, it will shoot in a standard but converted pistol.

    I'll file this in the back of my head when I see an old milspec for cheap. Shooting something like this through a pistol would have to put some serious wear on it.

    If there were a conversion for my XD, I'd buy it but, I doubt it will ever be. I'll find and old 1911 somewhere at some point.
     
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    Yeah, I really like the .460 Rowland too. I like the video you attached as well. I always heard about how controleable it was but I never saw one being shot. It's quite impressive. I too might go for a Springer Mil-spec to try it out on.

    The .460 AR is nice too. The two make for a great combo. It should be more popular but that's probably due to cost of ammunition.
     
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    Just saw this thread from Googling concerning the AR in .460 Rowland.

    My own experience...

    I bought a Kimber Custom II to carry while my ParaOrdnance P14/45 slide and frame were sent down to Robar to be refinished after a decade (plus) of daily carry. When the ParaOrdnance went back together, I ordered up a "conversion kit" from Clarks, and installed the compensated barrel into the Kimber. Was not a "drop in"... the barrel was too large in diameter - at the lugs on the barrel - to slide through the port in the front of the slide. Spent some time on a belt sander, slowly and gently reducing the diameter of the barrel until it would fit, then polished the area back up with a Dremel tool and Mother Mag Polish.

    Now then... Clarks told me over the phone that they would do the work for free, but... after building my fair share of fire arms, saw no reason to send it back down to Louisiana.

    I load my own ammo, and... it ain't THAT much more expensive to do the .460 than .45acp. I bought 1,000 virgin brass from Starline, 1,000 Nosler 185grn HPs, a jug of AA7... and dug out some CCI primers.

    Shooting... not a discernable difference in recoil between .45acp and the .460 Rowland... that brake on the barrel WORKS! Although Wilson Combat builds a "Hunter" version of the .460 Rowland (for about $3500) without a brake, Clarks will NOT see you a barrel without the compensator. And the Clarks "kit"? Is under $300...

    My eyes are old, and... the black-on-black sights of the Kimber do not work so well, for me. Even so... at 25 yds, all rounds stayed in the 10 ring. At 50 yds, I was busting trap clays, then pieces of trap clays, and then slivers of trap clays. Although I had heard from friends with .460 Rowlands concerning how accurate it is, I was not believing until I experienced it for myself. This Kimber/.460 Rowland may well be the most accurate side arm I have ever owned... going back fifty years... and that would include a long barreled M629 S&W, and the ParaOrdnance that groups in the black on a standard silhouette target at 200 yds.

    Published data for the Starline/Nosler/AA7 recipe is 0.8" grouping at 25 yds... believe it!

    Time to get my Kimber out on the 200 yd line, and verify just how damn accurate this thing is.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I imagine whent he novelty wears off, it will get old really fast. Stay in the safe for all of once or twice a year.
    But hey, whatever floats your boat (although the 460 would sink your boat :))
     
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    You must be thinking of "that other guy..."...

    Not to burst your bubble, but... I do not own/build firearms simply to store them. The "novelty" has yet to wear off of my .500 S&W, and that one is much more expensive to feed.

    The Kimber/.460 Rowland shoots soft, hits hard, and is extremely accurate... not to mention that the ammo is only a few cents a round more expensive than .45acp (IF you reload your own). Were it not for the inch and a half of compensator on the front, it would likely be carried on a daily basis as a CCW sidearm... just as I carried S&W M29s and M629s for a decade.

    And a 1911 conceals EVER so much better than the huge cylinder on a .44 Magnum...
     
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    Your Rowland for CCW do have factory ammo? And how much for a box on the average? And the possibility on a Glock, XD, or another hicap 45acp pistol?:rolleyes::p
     
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    460 Rowland Conversion Kits by Clark Custom Guns

    The (linked) site shows ammo available from $38/50 rounds, to $47/50 rounds... depending upon the flavor. I have never put a "store-bought" round through this pistol; I load my own.

    In conversation with Johnny Rowland (years ago), Clarks initially modified ParaOrdnance magazines to work with the round... I was told that there were some "feeding problems" with the more squarish shaped magazines, but it feeds 100% reliably with the Kimber and Wilson magazines that I have used. They do NOT build conversions for plastic firearms, nor low quality (Charles Daly, Rock Island Armory, Llama, AMT, Auto Ordnance), and recommend against using in older GI issue firearms; I would think that the substantial increase in pressures requires some strength, which those firearms do NOT possess.

    I personally would NOT consider putting this barrel atop a lightweight/aluminum frame, for exactly the same reasons. Do it with HIGH quality steel, or sit on the sidelines... rather than risk a trip to your dentist to extract extraneous metal from your mouth. Pushing a 185 grain bullet at over 1500 fps, and over 900 ft/lbs of (muzzle) energy would indicate this is a SERIOUS round, and not for those individuals limp of wrist. ;)
     
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    Just for note...

    There is a long-time member at gunsnet.net who lives very near you... posts by the moniker of Wirblewind at gunsnet. If you have a serious interest? You might make his acquaintance... he has had a .460 Rowland for the most of the past decade.

     

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