The wife wants a Sig P220, the son wants an HK USP...
I'm not a fan of DA and can't seem to hit the broad side of a round barn with the USP.
I'm in Kalifornia so 2011's are near impossible to get and if i'm going single stack then I see no reason to go with anything but a 1911 which the wife doesn't want because she has one.
I used to own a 220, currently own two USP45's (standard and Tactical)...I much prefer the USP. Not that the 220 is bad, but...the USP is just one of those guns that works great for me.
Try and find a USP Tactical or an Expert. The Match trigger is pretty sweet.
You could try an HK45 if they're approved, but...the USP is considered a better gun by many folks "in the know" when it comes to HK's.
Sig doublestack .45 would be a P227, but not sure if you can get them in CA.
Other options? You could look for a CZ97 or its Tanfoglio clone, the Witness .45.
Those are the doublestack hammered .45's that I can think of offhand...
I will research the USP, not sure what difference is.
P227, and Tanfoglio Witness i think are off the roster,
The CZ97B is on roster but hard to find. I'm gun shy about CZ anyway. I have a 75B that I'm into for $1,450 +tax to finally get a shootable gun. Based on all the CZ fanboys i figure i got a friday gun.
I'm not even stuck to hammer fired .45's But the 2 striker fired are the XD which the wife hates, and the G21 which is is hated worse, Any new gun needs to be a family gun.
I will research the USP, not sure what difference is.
P227, and Tanfoglio Witness i think are off the roster,
The CZ97B is on roster but hard to find. I'm gun shy about CZ anyway. I have a 75B that I'm into for $1,450 +tax to finally get a shootable gun. Based on all the CZ fanboys i figure i got a friday gun.
I'm not even stuck to hammer fired .45's But the 2 striker fired are the XD which the wife hates, and the G21 which is is hated worse, Any new gun needs to be a family gun.
I had a Sig P320, it's probably the best striker .45 available. The only reason I got rid of it is because I'm just not a big striker fan, unless it's steel and made by HK or Colt.
You could also look at a Sig P250, if it's available to you. It's DAO, but a really nice DAO.
Have them checkout the fairly new Walther PPQ 45. I own a P220 and an HK45 and love them both but the PPQ 45 was especially impressive shooting it. I am not much a fan of the USP45 after comparing it to the HK45 at the range a couple different times though it is a terrific pistol if it works for you.
+2 for the Sig P250.
It's almost infinitely configurable: large, medium, small, full size, compact, sub-compact. And as long as I do my part even the sub-compact can hit my 12" gong at fifty yards.
The Sig 245 is rare but GREAT!
The Bersa Thunder 45 Ultra Compact is massively overlooked, great trigger and easy to rack the slide and also very accurate for me.
+2 for the Sig P250.
It's almost infinitely configurable: large, medium, small, full size, compact, sub-compact. And as long as I do my part even the sub-compact can hit my 12" gong at fifty yards.
The Sig 245 is rare but GREAT!
The Bersa Thunder 45 Ultra Compact is massively overlooked, great trigger and easy to rack the slide and also very accurate for me.
If you can keep the Bersa from breaking the spring on the slide transfer bar and chewing the skin on the web of your thumb, it is not a bad gun.
I had a two tone, after the third time for repair, sold it and bought a G30.
Best deal I've ever made.
The Glock 30S does feel really good in the hand. It is like a G19 that is a tad thicker.
I also own a P220 and have never had a lick of trouble out of it. A very reliable and accurate 45, if you ask me. The P220 has a lot going for it as a full size 45 carry gun. It is light and flat and hides well.
Since you are limited to 10 rounds in a gun...why not opt for a single stack 45? the single stack 45s feel better in the hand and less "clubby" than the double stack 45s, if you ask me. One double stack 45 that i messed with and sort of liked was the full size SIG P320 - can you have those in CA?
Check out the EAA Tanfoglio Witness .45. I have the Witness in 9mm and i love it! I just saw the .45 on my local Jasons guns for $450.00. It even has a ported barrel. I want one! Jason's Guns
Check out the EAA Tanfoglio Witness .45. I have the Witness in 9mm and i love it! I just saw the .45 on my local Jasons guns for $450.00. It even has a ported barrel. I want one! Jason's Guns
The Tanfoglio (Witness) is a very good and reliable gun, unfortunately their finish leaves a lot to be desired. They're NOT stainless, the guns are coated with a
"stainless like" finish (same as the Windicator) that looks like its been applied with a spray can.
P220 is a great gun but buy the USP? We may end up getting the USP for our son, but the wife isn't a fan of how the trigger guard blisters her middle finger.
Considering both P220 and 1911 have CA max mags there's no reason to not get one of them.
P220 is a great gun but buy the USP? We may end up getting the USP for our son, but the wife isn't a fan of how the trigger guard blisters her middle finger.
Considering both P220 and 1911 have CA max mags there's no reason to not get one of them.
The 97B is a great shooting gun. It's accurate and soft shooting but I think the USP 45 is softer shooting and just as accurate, maybe even more so. The grip on the 97B is a double stack 10 round magazine but it feels closer to single stack grip.
If it were me I'd stick with hammer fired guns. I started with strikers but really prefer hammers now, strikers just don't feel as solid to me. An FNX would be sweet, I hear they're accurate and soft shooting. If you opt for the P220 you should wait for the Legion version. That's sure to be a looker
Most folks can learn to shoot any modern handgun well with practice. And then there are some guns that just work effortlessly and placing accurate shots is as easy as pointing a finger. That is my experience with the P220 right out of the box.
I really can't explain it because the grips aren't particularly ergonomic (in fact feel somewhat thick) the balance is OK and the grip angle is similar with other guns and the three dot sights are also common. The trigger is typical Sig with SRT, but it's a quirk of cosmic influences that make this Elite Model one of my best natural shooters. Incidentally, I didn't have the same experience with the P226 or other Sigs. Of course YMMV.
Most folks can learn to shoot any modern handgun well with practice. And then there are some guns that just work effortlessly and placing accurate shots is as easy as pointing a finger. That is my experience with the P220 right out of the box.
I really can't explain it because the grips aren't particularly ergonomic (in fact feel somewhat thick) the balance is OK and the grip angle is similar with other guns and the three dot sights are also common. The trigger is typical Sig with SRT, but it's a quirk of cosmic influences that make this Elite Model one of my best natural shooters. Incidentally, I didn't have the same experience with the P226 or other Sigs. Of course YMMV.
I have a 1911 with about 1600 rounds through it. Just got a P220 and shot both side by side. The Sig shoots alot softer with a better SA stock trigger. The grip is along the lines of a 1911 but more comfortable. The only drawback is the awful DA pull which I aim to address with a spring swap and polish.
All DA pulls are awful, no matter what you do. It's partly why I switched my CZ to SAO.
As it stands, she's going for the P220 and the son has come down on the side of the USP. I'm coming down firmly on a commander size 1911. Not decided which
All DA pulls are awful, no matter what you do. It's partly why I switched my CZ to SAO.
As it stands, she's going for the P220 and the son has come down on the side of the USP. I'm coming down firmly on a commander size 1911. Not decided which
I strongly disagree that all DA pulls are awful; a properly set up trigger that is smooth, clean breaking, and doesn't stack is an absolute joy to shoot.
Learn how to shoot a DA trigger, and you'll be amazed at how much better your shooting gets across the board...
I also don't agree that all DA pulls are bad. Sig is very smooth out of the box and to me feels light. My HK Tactical isn't as smooth but IMHO its only slightly heavier and also slightly shorter from the half cocked position.
With a little bit of practice and dry firing I can easily press the pistol out and get a quick and accurate first shot off and the transition to SA isn't difficult. Sometimes my DA shots are more accurate than my SA shots.
I should clarify, the wife doesn't hate the XD, she hates the Burris FF3. She has a real hard time picking up the dot.
StreetFightingMan, I have owned a Beretta 92, S&W M39 and a Walther PPk, all of the DA pulls were horrid in my mind. The M39 was just one of the worst pistols I ever owned but as version 1 of the gun, i suspect S&W just didn't have it's act together
I really don't have experience with those other than putting 10 rounds through someone else's M9. It wasn't bad but I hear Berettas are better with the D hammer spring.
Why doesn't Smith make metal pistols like this anymore?
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