.40 Cal home defense ammo

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  1. surfish95747

    surfish95747 XDTalk Member

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    Hey guys, I know this is a topic that has probably been discussed, I couldn't find an answer to my specific question.

    Q #1: For all you 4" Service Model XD 40 owners, what is the best home defense (hollow point) ammunition for your gun. I have been looking at the following; Hornady Tap, Harnady XTP, Winchester PTX (?), Remington etc. Thanks guys!
     
  2. agalindo

    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    Any of the ones you mentioned along with the list below will do. You will need to fire some through your gun and see if they work with no malfunctions in loading or ejecting and if you can shoot them accurately. I would recommend you fire at least 40 rounds preferably 100 with no malfunctions.

    .40 S&W:
    Barnes XPB 140 & 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
    Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
    Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
    Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
    Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
    Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
    Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
    Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)
    Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (Q4355 or S40SWPDB1)
     
  3. QBiN

    QBiN XDTalk 100 Member

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    I use Corbon's 140gr DPX rounds for home-defense. They use the Barnes X-Bullets mentioned first in agalindo's list with a fairly high muzzle velocity for some pretty impressive numbers.

    Though, most of the ones previously mentioned will do just fine.
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    Don't get caught up in the "muzzle energy thing" All the bullets listed pass FBI/IWBA protocols. In pistol rounds once the round penetrates the required minimum and expands the excess muzzle energy and velocity will not wound via "energy dump-hydorstatic shock" it will just add to recoil and muzzle blast.
     
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    for home defense consider finding out what your local LEO's use and copy them, should something happen, in court you can defend the choice pretty easy by referencing the fact that local LEO's chose it, and so you did too.
     
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    I use Winchester PDX1 180gr.
     
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    Thats a good idea thanks.
     
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    Just don't use the +P, waste of money, extra recoil, extra muzzle blast, extra wear on the pistol with no improvement in results. I use Speer Gold Dots in all calibers, but any of the ones in Agalindo's post works fine. I won't use Remington Golden Sabers because of my experience. Bought a case of them, only six out of each ten rounds would fire - that is in three different Sig Arms pistols
     
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    Thanks, I'll go get some and get to the range. I pick up my gun on the 3rd. Again, stupid 10 day wait period. Has anybody played around with home made ballistics gell? Just for fun?
     
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    Too expensive and time consuming.

     
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    I use Federal HST's. You can almost always get them here: HOLLOW POINT Ammo : Ammunition To Go

    If you see a message saying available only to law enforcement agencies ignore it. I am not an LE agency and have never been refused an order.

    Also, don't worry about what your local agencies carry unless you know they meet FBI standards. Some departments get what the lowest bidder offers them with out doing any testing themselves.

    You cannot go wrong with HST's, Ranger T's or Gold Dots. All three meet FBI standards. You can check out some tests here:

    LE - Wound Ballistics

    Watch the videos. Very impressive results.

    Also no need to worry about +p's with the .40. There is no such thing. .40's are already max pressure.
     
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    Even though those 135gr rounds are not on Anyone's fancy approved list, I recall some home tests showing they're more than capable of meeting min requirements, and they expand nicely. You can find them for $22.xx at walmart in the stripped box from Federal. They're a 135gr HST round.
     
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    I have Corbon 135 gr in mine at the moment.
     
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    Agalindo, I have to disagree with you there. I don't necessarily disagree with the hydrostatic shock arugment. However, disregarding muzzle velocity or energy is akin to saying steam is not water vapor... it just flies in the face of common physics.

    Granted, there are a LOT of factors that play into a given cartridge's effectiveness. Nonetheless, a bullet of a given weight carries momentum proportional to its velocity. Assuming a bullet can sufficiently expand, the more of that energy that is imparted to it's target, the more devastating that round's stopping power will be. Period.

    If your point is to say, "don't worry all these rounds are in the same league", then I'd agree. If you're saying, "more muzzle energy is bad because it's wasted on recoil", then I feel you're wrong there. You might as well as say .45 ACP is overkill compared to 9mm, when it's just not that simple.
     
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    XDM bitone 40 XDTalk 1K Member

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    +1 I have them in my XDM40 4.5,but i there 165gr...

    Also i have ..
    Winchester HP 180gr white Box
    Corbon 180g
    Gold Dots 165gr In my XD40sc..

    IMHO its what LEO's use to protech them.
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    When talking pistol rounds once the energy used to penetrate and expand is met any "energy" dumped on the target is not going to do any significant wounding. Pistol rounds have neither the velocity or energy to wound via temporary cavity. The shock of the bullet hitting is not going to do damage. The only thing that wounds is the size of the hole the bullet makes and the depth of the hole.
    No the .45 ACP has an edge but it's not because of the foot pounds of energy it has it's because it's bigger diameter makes a bigger hole.


    From FBI Handgun Wounding Factors And Effectiveness.
    FBI Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness - FirearmsTactical.com
     
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    I don't disagree with your opinions of wounding. Nor do I disagree with any of the quoted material covering wounding. However, I really think you're discounting muzzle energy and it's resulting knockdown power. I'm not going to touch the temporary cavity claim. We're not only talking about wounding, but overall effectiveness in the choice of a particular round. So accounting for wounding without taking into account knock-down power is only half the equation.

    Not including the muzzle energy is like assuming every shot will be a head or central nervous system shot. The whole reason wounding is so massive in HP rounds is precisely because the increased surface area of the round allows for more transfer of kinetic energy to the target.

    The .45 ACP doesn't have an edge just because of it's wounding effects alone. With a decent hollow-point, it's kinetic energy also delivers a whopping punch to the target causing momentary incapacitation. You think getting shot with a bulletproof vest is a walk in the park? No? Why would that be? Knock-down power is just as critical. It bridges the time before the wounding effects of your rounds kick in and involuntary incapacitation takes the assailant out.

    I don't want to derail the thread suffice to say all those rounds mentioned will do what agalindo has mentioned and more in .40 S&W. Try them out and see which one your pistol performs best with.
     
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    agalindo XDTalk 15K Member Founding Member

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    There is no such thing as knockdown power. The newton's law says "for every action there is and equal and opposite reaction" if a round could "knockdown" a human target it would knock down the shooter. The wound created by a hollow point is smaller than the size of the expanded bullet. The only place a bullet knocks down a person is on TV. There is no such thing as knock down power it's a myth created by TV and movies. I've shot 110 lb deer with a 30.06 and non of them fly back, they either fall straight down or run a bit then fall. You and I can agree that a 30.06 has thousands of foot pounds more energy than a .45. The reason some people fall instantly after being shot is that they either faint,




    Another link to good scientific information regarding terminal ballistics.
    Federal Bureau of Investigation Law Enforcement Bulletin - October 2004 Issue

    This one is from a guy who designs body armor.
    Terminal Ballistics
     
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    Knockdown power is a myth. Period. Ask people who have taken a shot, and they tend to refer to the impact as feeling like getting hit by a solid punch, or a baseball bat...which, when talking about ft/lbs, is about in the same category. In short...if a bullet actually had the power to knock the target down, it would knock the shooter down.

    Ike Newton knew what he was talking about...
     
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    Ok agalindo (and your innumerous quotes). We'll just have to agree to disagree. lol. Hollow points that retain most of their mass impart no kinetic energy. It just evaporates into thin air (gelatin?). I might have drank the same cool-aid if we were talking about frangible rounds or RBCD's. Anyway... Newton is right. That's enough from me.

    lol. Takes me back to my Carnegie Mellon days as a TA.
     

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