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[redtree]

Originally Posted by bayleo1012

Does anybody know anything about who this "Chaim" guy actually is? I've been digging all afternoon and found a facebook page for him, found information that says he was in the Israeli army and some stuff on a lawsuit he filed alleging discrimination in 2004 but that's about it so far... Is he even a U.S. citizen?
Oh and in response to the last post....yeah his facebook photo does make a good target

I don't know much about the guy...he is however the one who did the 20,000 round XD torture test!!! Link;

SPRINGFIELD ARMORY

Chaim also stated in a thread on this forum that he was really ill during the summer, true or not, you decide.

[NC Dave]

Originally Posted by Larsin

Guess I can still dispute since I have never received the product?

Only if your credit card issuer is feeling particularly generous. Under the law, they are not required to do anything at this point.

As stated previously, to be protected under the Fair Credit Act, you must file a dispute in writing within 60 days of any charge.

That being said, it is worth contacting your card issuer to see if they can or are willing to do anything. Just be aware that they are not required to do anything at this point.

[NC Dave]

Originally Posted by redtree

Chaim also stated in a thread on this forum that he was really ill during the summer, true or not, you decide.

To me, this is irrelevant.

If he and his company accepted orders and took payment for product that they knew he/they could not supply, he/they were acting unethically if not unlawfully. To me, the kicker is taking people's money with no product to sell.

[kraigster414]

Just curious if there is a similar thread on this at Glock Talk. Wasn't he taking orders for the Glocks as well?

Just wanted to let everyone know, I found something that finally got "Chaim's" attention. In spite of the fact I sent him over a dozen e mails and left phone messages that went ignored over the last month and a half, after contacting the BBB and my bank/ credit card company, I sent him this email and got a very quick response!

"To Lawrence Chaim Stein, SureSight LLC:
You are hereby notified to immediately cancel my order and that I demand a full and complete refund of the $140.49 paid to "SureSight, LLC" via Visa on 11/30/08 under transaction #******6749 for order# ******537. Failure to comply by no later than 08:00 EST on January 26, 2009 will result in criminal charges being filed against you. These charges may include Criminal penalties under California Law for Accessing a computer to Defraud, as well as theft, charges under Federal Law to be investigated by the Federal Trade Commission and the FBI for wire fraud, and charges under Florida laws for Scheming to Defraud and Theft by deception. Your compliance with this request is expected and you have been duly advised of the consequences of your failure to do so."

He e mailed me back within just a few hours wanting to know if I wanted him to mail me a check or if I wanted to give him my paypal account so he could send the refund there. I told him to refund the money to the credit card I paid with or if he is unable to do so for some legitimate reason to mail me a check and give me a tracking number to confirm it because I don't trust him enough to give him my paypal account info. I'll let you know if I actually ever get it.

[speedracer211]

Originally Posted by Bayleo1012

Just wanted to let everyone know, I found something that finally got "Chaim's" attention. In spite of the fact I sent him over a dozen e mails and left phone messages that went ignored over the last month and a half, after contacting the BBB and my bank/ credit card company, I sent him this email and got a very quick response!

"To Lawrence Chaim Stein, SureSight LLC:
You are hereby notified to immediately cancel my order and that I demand a full and complete refund of the $140.49 paid to "SureSight, LLC" via Visa on 11/30/08 under transaction #******6749 for order# ******537. Failure to comply by no later than 08:00 EST on January 26, 2009 will result in criminal charges being filed against you. These charges may include Criminal penalties under California Law for Accessing a computer to Defraud, as well as theft, charges under Federal Law to be investigated by the Federal Trade Commission and the FBI for wire fraud, and charges under Florida laws for Scheming to Defraud and Theft by deception. Your compliance with this request is expected and you have been duly advised of the consequences of your failure to do so."

He e mailed me back within just a few hours wanting to know if I wanted him to mail me a check or if I wanted to give him my paypal account so he could send the refund there. I told him to refund the money to the credit card I paid with or if he is unable to do so for some legitimate reason to mail me a check and give me a tracking number to confirm it because I don't trust him enough to give him my paypal account info. I'll let you know if I actually ever get it.

I would bet the house that he knows what is going on and checks this thread frequently. He is probably just trying to buy some time right now. Of course it wouldnt be the first time I was wrong.

[chuckels59h]

I saw a reference to this on another forum, bad business dude.

Although I won't know for sure if the check is any good and if funds are there for about 5 business days, he did overnight me a check via FedEx that I received today. I guess the thought of someone actually being willing to file criminal charges against him made him think twice about keeping the money. I would strongly recommend everyone else who has unfufilled orders with him notify him that you also want a refund and are willing to take action if he doesn't comply. If that doesn't get you your money back, follow through with criminal charges. I know it can be done both under state laws and federal. There was a gun shop here locally that ATF shut down and the owner is in Federal prison after he sold guns online that he did not have/ never shipped and received payment for them. I'll let everyone know once I verify the check cleared.

[Larsin]

I have sent him an email stating as much too(after several previous emails), but not even one response. It will have been one year in March since I ordered, so I might as well proceed now as I have wasted enough time putting any faith/trust that he would do the right thing...

I think his name is so recognized as it is now(negatively of course), that even if he one day DID actually produce the product, many people would not touch it...