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Old 10-17-2008, 09:28 AM   #21
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HAT OFF...HAND OVER HEART!! NO QUESTIONS ASKED!! NO EXCEPTIONS TOLERATED!! (and I will be singing along)!
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:33 AM   #22
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I had heard something like that also. It wasn't more than a month or so ago that someone told me the same thing about veterans being allowed to salute even in civilian attire. Supposedly it was fairly recently passed piece of legislation.

Bad on me, I guess, for not trying to confirm that or not

This change was a year or two ago, I can't remeber when exactly but I personally like it and never understood why it wasn't that way before.
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:34 AM   #23
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Bob Barret from New Hampshire just asked; " I heard recently that this honor to the flag has been approved. Can someone confirm or deny that fact? I think it is a special honor to the flag and ever Vet I have mentioned it to agrees as well. I am Navy Vietnam Era Vet."
After researching this issue in the House of Representatives wbsite, I found that it was sent to the House Judiciary, Subcommittee on Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties on September 10. GovTracks.us showed no further action for H.R.3380/S.1170l at the moment.
Both bills have identical text under the title; SECTION 1. CONDUCT BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES AND VETERANS OUT OF UNIFORM DURING HOISTING, LOWERING, OR PASSING OF FLAG.
The bill itself is simple; ?Section 9 of title 4, United States Code, is amended by striking `all persons present' and all that follows through the end and inserting `those present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.'."
This is a 40 member committee chaired by Representative John Conyers, Zoa Lofgren and Daniel Lungren are the only Northern California Representatives. I will try to contact Lungrne to see tne current status of this bill, and will report the results.
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:02 AM   #24
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Thanks very much ichy trigger!
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:05 AM   #25
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I doubt that Obama-lamb even knows the words to the "Star Spangled Banner". That would explain his blatant disrespect and behavior during its playing.....

Here is the code of conduct that is likely more his style:

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Old 10-17-2008, 10:12 AM   #26
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Definitely HATS OFF! With regards to hand over heart, I think thats not a huge deal as long as you stand at attention and shut your mouth. I hate it when people talk during the anthem. I do put my hand over my heart for the pledge of allegiance...
Way back when I was growing up. Hats off was a no brainer but the hand on the heart thing was never tought. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the hand on the heart but I think maybe others wer never tought that when younger. If they don't at least remove their hat...someone should remove their head!
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:13 AM   #27
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  1. stand up straight
  2. remove your hat
  3. hand over heart
  4. suck in your gut(if ya got one)
  5. sing like you mean it
  6. be proud
these are my rules for the national anthem, period. And for the record i am a civilian. No prior service, just taught to respect certain things.
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:17 AM   #28
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yea, ive noticed people either not knowing what to do or just "not giving a ***k" (bc thats so cool, right?) its sad
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I attended a car race last week and our national anthem was played. Naturally for me I took my hat off as a mark of respect. I looked around and a number of people did the same but I reckon the majority kept there hats on.
I know that Mr Obama didnt place his hand over his heart when your anthem played there not so long ago and that was seen as a mark of disrespect.
What do you think? Hats on or off? Hand on heart or its no big deal?
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The military doesn't even require you take it off during the anthem, in fact - that's leaving uniform.

I dont know why civillians have to if even the ARMY doesn't have to.


no big deal to me on or off, its a flag and a song, IMO. The real important thing is the little 'liberty and independence' thing they're supposed to stand for.



congress could vote tomorrow to change the flag AND the song. Liberty doesn't change. kinda 'everlasting' that way.
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Hats off, however only 10% of the population now cares to do this. it's truly saddening
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