SWAT Team Honored For Raid On Wrong House

[Pharmakon]

Originally Posted by MGD 45

The problem Pat, is that most people on this forum don't actually live in those inner city crime invested crap neighborhoods, where the force is needed to provide a stable living environment.

They can watch the news of these kinds of places in the luxury of their safe houses/apartments, then attack the police as being ****'s carying out some "Big Brother" type conspiracy to oppress them.

I can remember hitting a drug dealers house last year, that literally ruled the streets for a few blocks in either direction of his house. Once we had secured the house, & he was being walked out in handcuffs.....we got cheers & clapping from the surrounding neighbors......Days like that make it all worth while!!

You know usually I'm against this kind of stuff but if there is a public nuisance that is menacing people that are just trying to live I'm all for it. Of course that's a far cry from breaking in someones doors for things deemed undesirable by the state.

[DanTheEldest]

......A New Role for SWAT?????????????

McCain suggests military-style invasion modeled on the surge to control inner city crime

"...And some of those tactics — you mention the war in Iraq — are like that we use in the military. You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement, etc, etc." -John McCain

I dunno....I think military-style anti-crime "invasions" might work in the short term, but in the long run I think you're just addressing symptoms rather than the bigger root issues rotting society in the inner city:

1. Heavy dependency on government (food stamps, "the projects", little incentive to work, etc.)
2. Implosion of the family structure (illegitimacy, absentee fathers, etc.)
3. Mediocrity in education
4. The perpetuation of the "victim" mentality--the fact that life in the inner city sucks is the result of some outside conspiracy to "keep minorities/poor folks down"

SWAT fills a real need--there's no denying it, but overhauling a whole segment of society is a lot more complex than just wading in and thumping some heads together. Incarcerating people removes immediate criminal elements, but the real trick is figuring out how to reduce the number of criminals in the first place.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

EUREKA!!!! I think we may finally have the answer many of us were looking for!!!!!

It finally explains why there are now over 40,000 uses of "SWAT" a year (109.5 a day), Why innocent people are (more and more often) being terrorized or shot, and why regular Joe's are starting to resent these certain members of the police force who only "Think" they are some kind of "Highly trained Tactical ninja's".....and who act like (what some may call) "Jack-booted thugs" or "****'s" when these certain Officers are on the street dealing with the public!!!!

Thank You!

-Yuppicide

Actually according to your own stats the percentage of botched SWAT raids is less than .05% that is hardly a high number.
Pat

[Yuppicide]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Actually according to your own stats the percentage of botched SWAT raids is less than .05% that is hardly a high number.
Pat

Why don't you ask the families of the innocent victims if that number is acceptable or not!

-Plus with all these warrants being issued on the word of Crack-heads and paid informants, and investigators & patrol officers who like to get all dressed up in "cool gear, grab an AR15 or shotgun & hit a house" during a raid like a bunch of "Mall Ninja's with a badge"...theres no doubt that the numbers will only go up.
Yup


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[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

Why don't you ask the families of the innocent victims if that number is acceptable or not!

-Plus with all these warrants being issued on the word of Crack-heads and paid informants, and investigators & patrol officers who get like to get all dressed up in "cool gear, grab an AR15 or shotgun & hit a house" during a raid like a bunch of "Mall Ninja's with a badge"...theres no doubt that the numbers will only go up.
Yup


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Well why don't you ask the people that are alive today because SWAT saved their lives in the other 99.95% of the raids. You obviously have a problem with the police. If you don't break the law your chances of police contact rather good bad or indifference will go down drastically.
Pat

[Yuppicide]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Well why don't you ask the people that are alive today because SWAT saved their lives in the other 99.95% of the raids.

So, your saying that 99.95% of SWAT raids are done to SAVE SOMEONES LIFE????

I could have swore that most were just DRUG RAIDS.

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

You obviously have a problem with the police.

Why, because I dare to question authority or choose to debate the topic on a forum ? Isn't that what forums are for?

My father is a retired officer, and was a good cop (he even recieved a medal), but does that mean that I should blindly idolize every person with a badge? I've even heard HIM comment about how these "New breed of Cop's are way too uptight".

Just because YOU may have never seen...

-or-

...never been personally abused by a **** with a blue uniform and a Moustache, dosn't mean it's not happening everyday.

In fact, when GOOD COP's ignore, defend, or cover up these CERTAIN officers conduct, The good cop's become part of the problem too.

I could find and post THOUSANDS of examples, and I'm sure the members of this forum would be more than happy to share their tales of BAD run-ins with these CERTAIN police officers.....

But I'd bet that you would quickly shyte on their experience and tell them that they must have done something wrong and "Obviously have a problem with the police".

I can admit that MOST Cop's are the GOOD GUYS.....

Can YOU ever admit that SOME aren't????????????



-YUPPICIDE


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[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

So, your saying that 99.95% of SWAT raids are done to SAVE SOMEONES LIFE????

I could have swore that most were just DRUG RAIDS.




Why, because I dare to question authority or choose to debate the topic on a forum ? Isn't that what forums are for?

My father is a retired officer, and was a good cop (he even recieved a medal), but does that mean that I should blindly idolize every person with a badge? I've even heard HIM comment about how these "New breed of Cop's are way too uptight".

Just because YOU may have never seen...

-or-

...never been personally abused by a **** with a blue uniform and a Moustache, dosn't mean it's not happening everyday.

In fact, when GOOD COP's ignore, defend, or cover up these CERTAIN officers conduct, The good cop's become part of the problem too.

I could find and post THOUSANDS of examples, and I'm sure the members of this forum would be more than happy to share their tales of BAD run-ins with these CERTAIN police officers.....

But I'd bet that you would quickly shyte on their experience and tell them that they must have done something wrong and "Obviously have a problem with the police".

I can admit that MOST Cop's are the GOOD GUYS.....

Can YOU ever admit that SOME aren't????????????



-YUPPICIDE


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SWAT Raids are about hostage situations barricaded gun men ect. Drug raids are undertaken by drug units and most of the time SWAT is not involved. Some cops are not good guys. But based on your post you seem to be implying that most cops are not good guys. You are nothing but negative at least in your posts towards law enforcement.
Pat

[eric_t12]

the idea that the bad deeds done by the police should be overlooked or marginalized compared to the good deeds done by them begs this question.


in the declaration of independence, they made a point of condemning the actions of the king, and the king's army, for aggressions against the people.


Why didn't they just say - "Oh they meant well, it wasn't their fault they quartered themselves in our homes, confiscated our arms, impressed our people into their army, imprisoned those who spoke against it, et nauseating cetera..."?

Maybe, just maybe, they realized that abuse by government is a little more overshadowing?

Originally Posted by Declaration of Independence

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

SCRATCH ALL THAT! they meant well, and i'm sure the bulk of the military was much better. no need to bother ourselves with the failures of a few... just let em slide.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

the idea that the bad deeds done by the police should be overlooked or marginalized compared to the good deeds done by them begs this question.


in the declaration of independence, they made a point of condemning the actions of the king, and the king's army, for aggressions against the people.


Why didn't they just say - "Oh they meant well, it wasn't their fault they quartered themselves in our homes, confiscated our arms, impressed our people into their army, imprisoned those who spoke against it, et nauseating cetera..."?

Maybe, just maybe, they realized that abuse by government is a little more overshadowing?



SCRATCH ALL THAT! they meant well, and i'm sure the bulk of the military was much better. no need to bother ourselves with the failures of a few... just let em slide.

Sorry but your example is not even close. Also I did not say it should be overlooked. People need to be accountable for their screw ups. But certain anti leo types are making a mountain out of a pin head here. It's akin to saying we need to disband the armed forces because of the atrocities committed a few US soldiers in Iraq.
Pat

[Pharmakon]

Eric-Not to be a mark but I have trouble adding anything to that. Nicely done.

I'll check in tomorrow.