SWAT Team Honored For Raid On Wrong House

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by Spawnz

Wow.................I just cannot fathom how in the he11 you think that the swat team should have been killed for doing their job and this somehow would make a bad situation better. To add insult to injury you then accuse the swat team of being "good lil' ****'s".

They were doing their job with bad intel. Mistakes happen. Happily, no one was killed. I agree they should not have been given medals. The family should be compensated. But to wish death upon LE officers who also have families and loved ones is just beyond my ability to comprehend.

They should have to verify the information??? I guess 12-15 swat officers or how many there were are supposed to have what? A question and answer forum with the informant? That is not their job. Someone higher up should have verified. So a police officer gets a call about a gunman shooting someone and a vehicle/description of the suspect and he is supposed to go to the scene of the shooting and verify this information before he can pull over someone who matches the description???

What color is the sky in your world?????

Rant over.

Agreed.

Given the scenario the best possible outcome was attained (minus the medals).

Hopefully both parties learned something from the experience, and the mistake will not be repeated.

[Yuppicide]

Originally Posted by Spawnz

They were doing their job with bad intel. Mistakes happen. Happily, no one was killed. I agree they should not have been given medals. The family should be compensated. But to wish death upon LE officers who also have families and loved ones is just beyond my ability to comprehend.

You may not like my answer, but here goes:

It's Obvious that this incident (and the HUNDREDS of other botched raids on INNOCENT Americans) have made absolutely no lasting impression on the Police community who seem way too over-eager and willing to participate in these late night, "No-knock" raids -acting only on the flimsiest bullshyte statements from scumbag criminal "Informants".

The fact that AWARDS were given out after one such botched raid proves it!

When the F*** did Law enforcment become "Special-Forces GI Joe" wannabe's? Every two-bit town now has a "SWAT-TEAM" ready to "HUT-HUT-HUT", Throw flashbangs, and stick machine guns in little old lady's faces!!!!!

It might sound horrible, but in my opinion if a few more SWAT Members were killed by their Innocent victims who's only crime is protecting their home and families.............

They might actually Re-examine the policy of No-Knock warrants and whether the risk is really worth it.


"No-knock raids have been justified on the flimsiest of reasons, including that the suspect was a licensed, registered gun owner........... or that the mere presence of indoor plumbing could be enough to trigger the destruction of evidence exception.
In fact, in many places the announcement requirement is now treated more like an antiquated ritual than compliance with a suspect's constitutional rights. In 1999, for example, the assistant police chief of El Monte, Calif., explained his department's preferred procedure to the Los Angeles Times: "We do bang on the door and make an announcement—'It's the police'—but it kind of runs together. If you're sitting on the couch, it would be difficult to get to the door before they knock it down.
That comment came in a story about a mistaken raid in which Mario Paz, an innocent man, was shot dead by a raiding SWAT team when he mistook them for criminal intruders and reached for a gun to defend himself."

BTW AlaskaPoPo: Just because you don't like my opinions, theres no reason to call me names!

Signed,
-The Troll

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

You may not like my answer, but here goes:

It's Obvious that this incident (and the HUNDREDS of other botched raids on INNOCENT Americans) have made absolutely no lasting impression on the Police community who seem way too over-eager and willing to participate in these late night, "No-knock" raids -acting only on the flimsiest bullshyte statements from scumbag criminal "Informants".

The fact that AWARDS were given out after one such botched raid proves it!

When the F*** did Law enforcment become "Special-Forces GI Joe" wannabe's? Every two-bit town now has a "SWAT-TEAM" ready to "HUT-HUT-HUT", Throw flashbangs, and stick machine guns in little old lady's faces!!!!!

It might sound horrible, but in my opinion if a few more SWAT Members were killed by their Innocent victims who's only crime is protecting their home and families.............

They might actually Re-examine the policy of No-Knock warrants and whether the risk is really worth it.


"No-knock raids have been justified on the flimsiest of reasons, including that the suspect was a licensed, registered gun owner........... or that the mere presence of indoor plumbing could be enough to trigger the destruction of evidence exception.
In fact, in many places the announcement requirement is now treated more like an antiquated ritual than compliance with a suspect's constitutional rights. In 1999, for example, the assistant police chief of El Monte, Calif., explained his department's preferred procedure to the Los Angeles Times: "We do bang on the door and make an announcement—'It's the police'—but it kind of runs together. If you're sitting on the couch, it would be difficult to get to the door before they knock it down.
That comment came in a story about a mistaken raid in which Mario Paz, an innocent man, was shot dead by a raiding SWAT team when he mistook them for criminal intruders and reached for a gun to defend himself."

BTW AlaskaPoPo: Just because you don't like my opinions, theres no reason to call me names!

Signed,
-The Troll

Opinion more like cop bashing propaganda. Also I was not calling you names rather making an observation. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck it probably is a duck or in this case troll. Ie someone who posts with the sole purpose of getting a negative reaction.
Pat

[Yuppicide]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Opinion more like cop bashing propaganda. Also I was not calling you names rather making an observation. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck it probably is a duck or in this case troll. Ie someone who posts with the sole purpose of getting a negative reaction.
Pat

I only "bash" cop's that deserve it.

Just because they have a Badge dosn't make them better, or more important, than the average citizen whom they serve.

Like I said before, Just because YOU don't agree with my opinion dosn't make me a "Troll".

Infact, although they may not come out and say it, I'd be willing to bet that many members of this board agree with me. (If you scroll through the original thread on this subject, many members stated they would have shot them too!)
Cops raid wrong house, Homeowner shoots back

-Yuppicide

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

I only "bash" cop's that deserve it.

Just because they have a Badge dosn't make them better, or more important, than the average citizen whom they serve.

Like I said before, Just because YOU don't agree with my opinion dosn't make me a "Troll".

Infact, although they may not come out and say it, I'd be willing to bet that many members of this board agree with me.

-Yuppicide

I never said cops were better than the citizenry. I have a lot of problems with your opinions. Did the cops make some mistakes in this situations yes. Did the home owner Hell yes. You seen to over look the facts you don't like.

Also SWAT has saved far more lives than it has taken. SWAT is better trained and equiped to deal with dangerous situations than patrol officers. You blanket condemnation of SWAT only shows your level of ignorance on the subject.

No knock warrants can be debated no problem but the need for SWAT can not. And yes in the original thread their were some trigger happy cop haters who said they would shoot as well. Frankly I don't hold their opinion with much value.
Oh and by the way I only call our trolls who deserve it. The fact that you like Punk rock shows that you like negative attention and I don't feel like giving you what you want anymore so good night.

[Yuppicide]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

The fact that you like Punk rock shows that you like negative attention and I don't feel like giving you what you want anymore so good night.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Nighty-Night!!!!!

-Yuppicide
(the Punk-Rock Troll)

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[LKB3rd]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

The guy you are replying to is not worth it. No matter what the police do in his eyes its wrong. Lets move on.

I don't think they are always wrong, but in this situation, trying to say that start to finish, this was anything but wrong is refusing to look at the situation clearly. It doesn't matter who's fault it was that they were at the wrong house. They conducted an armed "no knock" raid on the home of a person who was not guilty of anything which resulted in a gunfight, putting an innocent family's life in jeopardy as well as the lives of the neighbors and themselves. Then they got awards! I know we all already read the article, but it seems as if some need reminding of the basic facts of the matter here.
We should all be outraged that better information isn't required before they bust into someone's house and exchange gunfire, terrorizing a law abiding family in their own home. To add insult to injury, they were commended for this action. It begs the question, "if they get encouraged for anything to do with this...ANYTHING, what exactly are they teaching them, and those of us who see this happen?"

[eric_t12]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

I never said cops were better than the citizenry. I have a lot of problems with your opinions. Did the cops make some mistakes in this situations yes. Did the home owner Hell yes. You seen to over look the facts you don't like. LIke the fact that they BOTCHED THE RAID??? they raided an innocent man's house, and you're saying he made a mistake by attempting to defend his home???

crime by government (destruction of property, assault with a deadly weapon, are the least of the charges that a CITIZEN would get if they did the same thing the SWAT did) is no worse than crime by citizen. in fact - given our nation's history of wariness of government, i'd say it's much, much worse.

Also SWAT has saved far more lives than it has taken. SWAT is better trained and equiped to deal with dangerous situations than patrol officers. You blanket condemnation of SWAT only shows your level of ignorance on the subject. and your ignorance in acknowledging that his was a SERIOUS, SERIOUS Eff up on the police's part is pretty clear too.

"there were some mistakes" doesn't quite cut it. what if he or his family HAD been killed?

"maybe there were some big mistakes" then?

No knock warrants can be debated no problem but the need for SWAT can not. ummm, actually, given the 150 years or so of history prior to SWAT, and the country going on just fine - i would say that there IS a debatable need for swat.

Maybe you should look at what swat does, like drug busts, and see if making drugs legal would eliminate that need all together.


just a suggestion. And yes in the original thread their were some trigger happy cop haters who said they would shoot as well. Frankly I don't hold their opinion with much value.

so now, the ones who WOULD defend their homes from the UTTER DESTRUCTION of excessive force (which is EXACTLY what this, and many other situations, was) is pretty telling.

i'm sure you wouldn't hesitate to applaud an officer who defended himself from an armed thug who tried to break into his home, unannounced.


to me that IS saying the cops are better than the people they 'serve and protect.' Sorry, just calling it like i see it.

I dont hate cops, either, BTW, i hate the fallacies and f*@$ ups of government when they're apologized away or defended - all at the cost of the lowly, toiling citizen.

Oh and by the way I only call our trolls who deserve it. The fact that you like Punk rock shows that you like negative attention and I don't feel like giving you what you want anymore so good night.

The bolded part above just makes me laugh.

what a joke.

[MGD 45]

Yuppy....

What has happened in your life that has made you so anti-police? It really seems like you go above & beyond to put-down & seem to call for police getting killed? Mistakes get made, but to actually wish that police die seems really wierd.

I deal with people everyday who make mistakes (like breaking the law....) and I never wish that they get killed.......if I'm interpreting your posts incorrectly, I apologize, but that's how they seem to me.

I wish you could come to my neck of the woods and have some good positive interaction with LEO's.....

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

The bolded part above just makes me laugh.

what a joke.

Armed thugs. Fully uniformed SWAT offices are armed thugs. I am sorry but discussing this further with you is a waste of time as obviously you are not going to listen to reason or facts.
Pat