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71Novacaine · 07-18-2008, 03:36 PM

Okay, I just bought a Patriot P22 from a local safe shop and they are delivering it next week. It will be going in the garage.

Since, I live in Vegas do you guys think I need a dehumidifier?? It get really hot and dry in the garage as it is. Would a couple bags of Desiccant work instead?

Also, when the deliver it should I have it bolted down? I have Post Tension concrete and that scares me a bit. Anybody have thier Post Tension concrete drilled before?? The store said if they hit the cable the drill will just bounce back up and the cable will be fine. I don't like the way that sounds. The safe is over 500 lbs and it will be close to 600lbs when I put everything in. I doubt some person trying to do a smash and grab is going to want to drag this thing out.
Thanks in advance.
Guy

**DanTheEldest** · 07-18-2008, 04:09 PM

The climates in Vegas and Phoenix are pretty similar; I just keep a closet-size tub of DampRid ($4.95 at Ace) in the back of my box and it does just fine. If you want to go with something fancier like a Goldenrod it won't hurt anything, you just might not need it.

As for bolting it down, when I worked in the safe biz my company refused to drill in post-tension foundations--they decided they didn't want the potential liability. We did offer to glue it down with an industrial-grade epoxy which was almost as strong as bolts, but the downside was it was understandably really hard to get off the slab if you wanted to move the safe.

I personally wouldn't drill a post-tension slab, but if the company you're dealing with is okay with it I'd make sure to get it in writing that their liability insurance is up to speed in case any damages occur. If they're not willing to disclose that information to you, I probably wouldn't let them go ahead with it.

ETA: I almost forgot...600 pounds is not nearly heavy enough to NOT bolt it down somehow. Our rule of thumb was anything under 1000 lbs should be secured somehow, and even above that weight we recommended it. The only safes I haven't bolted down were jewelry vaults that weighed in the 3000-3500 pound range.

griz · 07-18-2008, 04:12 PM

I would recommend a golden rod dehumidifier. A few dessicant bags wouldn't hurt either.

As for bolting it down, that would be the best. I've drilled a lot of post tension slabs. Use light pressure when drilling and be sure to use a good hammer drill like a Hilti if possible. You'll know if you start hitting a cable as it will start to bounce and not make any progress. It takes some serious effort to drill through a cable compared to concrete.

**Se2002** · 07-18-2008, 08:13 PM

Those have a nice price! What am I missing? Are they fire safes too?

rjss · 07-18-2008, 08:24 PM

A dehumidifier wouldn't be a bad idea, but your climate in Vegas isn't really that bad. Try living here in Michigan where it gets up in the 90's or 100 with about 120% humidity. You can practically watch things rust in realtime! Hot and dry = OK. Hot and humid = very very bad. Ideally cold and dry would be the best as cold air holds less moisture.

71Novacaine · 07-18-2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Se2002

Those have a nice price! What am I missing? Are they fire safes too?

Yeah, they are fire rated to 30 min. @ 1200 degrees or so.

07-18-2008, 03:36 PM	#1
71Novacaine XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 238	Got A Safe!! Now do I need a dehumidifier?? Okay, I just bought a Patriot P22 from a local safe shop and they are delivering it next week. It will be going in the garage. Since, I live in Vegas do you guys think I need a dehumidifier?? It get really hot and dry in the garage as it is. Would a couple bags of Desiccant work instead? Also, when the deliver it should I have it bolted down? I have Post Tension concrete and that scares me a bit. Anybody have thier Post Tension concrete drilled before?? The store said if they hit the cable the drill will just bounce back up and the cable will be fine. I don't like the way that sounds. The safe is over 500 lbs and it will be close to 600lbs when I put everything in. I doubt some person trying to do a smash and grab is going to want to drag this thing out. Thanks in advance. Guy __________________ XD 45 service Kimber Stainless Pro TLE/RL II Rock River Arms Entry Tactical w/ Arms #50 rail system, Aimpoint ML2, and a few extra goodies

07-18-2008, 04:09 PM	#2
DanTheEldest XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,348	The climates in Vegas and Phoenix are pretty similar; I just keep a closet-size tub of DampRid ($4.95 at Ace) in the back of my box and it does just fine. If you want to go with something fancier like a Goldenrod it won't hurt anything, you just might not need it. As for bolting it down, when I worked in the safe biz my company refused to drill in post-tension foundations--they decided they didn't want the potential liability. We did offer to glue it down with an industrial-grade epoxy which was almost as strong as bolts, but the downside was it was understandably really hard to get off the slab if you wanted to move the safe. I personally wouldn't drill a post-tension slab, but if the company you're dealing with is okay with it I'd make sure to get it in writing that their liability insurance is up to speed in case any damages occur. If they're not willing to disclose that information to you, I probably wouldn't let them go ahead with it. ETA: I almost forgot...600 pounds is not nearly heavy enough to NOT bolt it down somehow. Our rule of thumb was anything under 1000 lbs should be secured somehow, and even above that weight we recommended it. The only safes I haven't bolted down were jewelry vaults that weighed in the 3000-3500 pound range. __________________ To make mass murder palatable to the public, one must first strip the victims of their inherent humanity. First were the native Americans ("savages"), then the black slaves (only "partly human"), then the Jews and gypsies in Hitler's Europe ("parasites on society"), and now America's unborn (also "not fully human"). Save the Americans--end abortion now. Insights and documentation on our nation's Christian heritage: www.WallBuilders.com

07-18-2008, 08:13 PM	#4
Se2002 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: AL Posts: 1,245 Blog Entries: 1	Those have a nice price! What am I missing? Are they fire safes too? __________________ If the prospect of having your thumb hit by the bolt is unacceptable do not attempt to load your Garand.

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rjss XDTalk Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Southeast MI Posts: 80	A dehumidifier wouldn't be a bad idea, but your climate in Vegas isn't really that bad. Try living here in Michigan where it gets up in the 90's or 100 with about 120% humidity. You can practically watch things rust in realtime! Hot and dry = OK. Hot and humid = very very bad. Ideally cold and dry would be the best as cold air holds less moisture. __________________ Black XD-9 Tactical Remington 700 ADL .308 Remington 870 12 gauge Ruger 10/22 carbine

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07-18-2008, 04:12 PM	#3
griz XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NW MO Posts: 745	I would recommend a golden rod dehumidifier. A few dessicant bags wouldn't hurt either. As for bolting it down, that would be the best. I've drilled a lot of post tension slabs. Use light pressure when drilling and be sure to use a good hammer drill like a Hilti if possible. You'll know if you start hitting a cable as it will start to bounce and not make any progress. It takes some serious effort to drill through a cable compared to concrete.