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stbarsh · 07-13-2008, 09:04 PM

food for thought...it's a set of stories about a CCW guy intervening in a road-rage fight and eventually killing the attacker...it has spurred all kinds of discussion here, many people for and many against the use of a weapon

Expert: Leave justice to cops - The York Daily Record

and here is a retired cop's opinion

Deadly force was justified - The York Daily Record

Modificationvt · 07-13-2008, 09:50 PM

two good reads.

Jettubby · 07-14-2008, 12:26 AM

Let's pray this good citizen is absolved of any wrongdoing and another POS (Mr. Need) is removed from the earth. That may sound harsh but it this guy has the ability to strike a woman over words then I guarantee this isn't the only bad thing he's done or is capable of. Someone that is that much taken over by rage is an extremely dangerous individual.

Fish609 · 07-14-2008, 01:09 AM

"Why do good people go to jail? It's because of cases like this," Cooper said. "What may seem like common sense to you may be against the law."

Since when does the law not follow common sense? Why should a law exist if it doesn't? It sounds like the "law" needs to be changed to reflect what society deems appropriate.

rickett · 07-14-2008, 01:26 AM

Wow. Good story. I like Jack McMillin's response to the original article. According to the information given in that article, the shooter did nothing wrong in my opinion. That's my opinion based on what I've learned from my CHL instructor as well as various articles from defensive handgun instructors and legal experts. From what was presesnted in the article it sounds like the good samaritan did everything right (with the exception of the warning shot.) Here's hoping the shooter faces no charges and is recognized for the good citizen he is.

Amkus · 07-14-2008, 05:28 AM

"Washington, D.C.-based police consultant Bruce Mendelsohn doesn't argue with Americans' right to have guns but said law enforcement should be left to professionals.
"Something like this did not have to happen," Mendelsohn said about the York killing. "If you see something going on, call the police. You do not want to take matters into your own hands.""

Yeah, like they actaully show up on time to do anything.

I remember watching a show about people that survived bad situations. One involved a woman who was attacked by a man with a knife. She managed to get away, and he left. She was bleeding from knife wounds and called 911, while she was talking to the dispatcher, the guy was trying to get back into her house, probably to finish her off. It took the police like 40 minutes to show up after she called 911!

revel8 · 07-14-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish609

"Why do good people go to jail? It's because of cases like this," Cooper said. "What may seem like common sense to you may be against the law."

Since when does the law not follow common sense? Why should a law exist if it doesn't? It sounds like the "law" needs to be changed to reflect what society deems appropriate.

Are you saying all laws make sense and are reasonable?

Amkus · 07-14-2008, 05:35 AM

The second article was awesome. Agreed with everything he said.

stbarsh · 07-14-2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amkus

The second article was awesome. Agreed with everything he said.

I agree! The second article was "spot-on" here. Plus, it has the added credibility of being written by a retired, 39-year LEO. That adds a lot in my book.

tjg4 · 07-14-2008, 07:59 AM

Those were great articles! Jack McMillin's response was spot on.

07-13-2008, 09:04 PM	#1
stbarsh XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 214	self-defense story food for thought...it's a set of stories about a CCW guy intervening in a road-rage fight and eventually killing the attacker...it has spurred all kinds of discussion here, many people for and many against the use of a weapon Expert: Leave justice to cops - The York Daily Record and here is a retired cop's opinion Deadly force was justified - The York Daily Record

07-13-2008, 09:50 PM	#2
Modificationvt XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Burlington Vermont Posts: 1,037	two good reads. __________________ Since it has come up a couple times I figured I would put this here, I have a spelling/reading disability. Although it may cause some humorous posts by me, I hope that people can look past it and understand that what I say is no more valid/invalid just because it may be misspelled. If for some reason you want/need more specifics feel free to send me a PM.

07-14-2008, 12:26 AM	#3
Jettubby XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "Blink...and you're mine!" Posts: 1,921	Let's pray this good citizen is absolved of any wrongdoing and another POS (Mr. Need) is removed from the earth. That may sound harsh but it this guy has the ability to strike a woman over words then I guarantee this isn't the only bad thing he's done or is capable of. Someone that is that much taken over by rage is an extremely dangerous individual. __________________ T "You can come along peacefully or you don't have to come along at all". - Sonny Crockett "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln "My 1911 is better than your 911."

07-14-2008, 01:26 AM	#5
rickett XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 769	Wow. Good story. I like Jack McMillin's response to the original article. According to the information given in that article, the shooter did nothing wrong in my opinion. That's my opinion based on what I've learned from my CHL instructor as well as various articles from defensive handgun instructors and legal experts. From what was presesnted in the article it sounds like the good samaritan did everything right (with the exception of the warning shot.) Here's hoping the shooter faces no charges and is recognized for the good citizen he is. __________________ XD-45 service with Trijicon night sights GP-100 6" stainless .357Mag. Heritage Rough Rider 4 3/4" 22LR/22Mag. Savage 99 EG .300 Savage "At long last I have discovered that most shooters are not interested in firearms as tools, but rather as toys. Such people do not acquire their weapons because of what they will do, but rather to gratify the "Christmas morning joy" that we largely left behind in our childhood." -Jeff Cooper

07-14-2008, 07:59 AM	#10
tjg4 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 508	Those were great articles! Jack McMillin's response was spot on. __________________ Live for something, or die for nothing - Rambo Gun control is holding it with both hands! The only thing better than an XD is having TWO XD's. XD9 Sub Compact Black Beretta 92FS

07-14-2008, 01:09 AM	#4
Fish609 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 1,042	"Why do good people go to jail? It's because of cases like this," Cooper said. "What may seem like common sense to you may be against the law." Since when does the law not follow common sense? Why should a law exist if it doesn't? It sounds like the "law" needs to be changed to reflect what society deems appropriate.

07-14-2008, 05:28 AM	#6
Amkus XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 218	"Washington, D.C.-based police consultant Bruce Mendelsohn doesn't argue with Americans' right to have guns but said law enforcement should be left to professionals. "Something like this did not have to happen," Mendelsohn said about the York killing. "If you see something going on, call the police. You do not want to take matters into your own hands."" Yeah, like they actaully show up on time to do anything. I remember watching a show about people that survived bad situations. One involved a woman who was attacked by a man with a knife. She managed to get away, and he left. She was bleeding from knife wounds and called 911, while she was talking to the dispatcher, the guy was trying to get back into her house, probably to finish her off. It took the police like 40 minutes to show up after she called 911!

07-14-2008, 05:35 AM	#8
Amkus XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 218	The second article was awesome. Agreed with everything he said.

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