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xdyes · 07-07-2008, 04:40 PM

This lad should have used a different approach to this situation.Im guessing it was an XD45.Postbulletin.com: Rochester man charged for pointing gun at driver - Mon, Jul 7, 2008

Maddcat1 · 07-07-2008, 04:43 PM

Brilliant!

Broadside · 07-07-2008, 05:10 PM

Let's see,
gun Check
alcohol Check
ccw

Edit:

Hope he has more going for him then the BS story in the paper

LUVMYSIGP225 · 07-07-2008, 05:22 PM

What a derelict. People like him give me a bad name.

And this, folks, is why you don't drink and carry. Suddenly you become super cop and decide to rid the world of its ills. Then, you sober up in jail and realize that you can never own a firearm again, once you get out of prison.

Philadelphia · 07-07-2008, 06:46 PM

He had three beers in about three and a half hours. Liquor was hardly a factor.

He got involved in what he believed was a driver who had struck someone and was attempting to leave the scene. A driver striking a tree and then backing up would lead most reasonable people to believe the driver was attempting to leave the scene. What was the driver doing, hitting a tree as part of their parrallel parking routine?

The bystanders and the press are leaving this guy to twist in the wind. Read the article again more carefully. Every inference is made and reported in a way to make this guy look like a criminal. Even the posts here want to see this guy lynched.

The bottom line take away from these types of incidents is (1) don't get involved if your life or the life of a family member is not in danger. No matter how you slice it, you will always come off looking like the bad guy and whatever good you think you might do will not be perceived as having done anyone any good; and (2) never tell the police you've had a drink, if it was hours ago, days ago, whatever, you will always be painted as impaired.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating using a gun in the way this guy did, even if the facts were as he says he believed. What I am saying is that the guy says he believed the driver struck someone (which the driver may have -- just not directly enough to cause injury), was trying to flee, and in the process of fleeing placed additional lives in danger. The bystanders expectedly turned against him. They saw a gun, freaked out, and their statements to police not surprisingly reflect that. The press then has its usual field day with it all. Even pro gun folks such as those here see it all in the same light the press wants them to. Something to think about.

ducks_n_bucks01 · 07-07-2008, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

He had three beers in about three and a half hours. Liquor was hardly a factor.

He got involved in what he believed was a driver who had struck someone and was attempting to leave the scene. A driver striking a tree and then backing up would lead most reasonable people to believe the driver was attempting to leave the scene. What was the driver doing, hitting a tree as part of their parrallel parking routine?

The bystanders and the press are leaving this guy to twist in the wind. Read the article again more carefully. Every inference is made and reported in a way to make this guy look like a criminal. Even the posts here want to see this guy lynched.

The bottom line take away from these types of incidents is (1) don't get involved if your life or the life of a family member is not in danger. No matter how you slice it, you will always come off looking like the bad guy and whatever good you think you might do will not be perceived as having done anyone any good; and (2) never tell the police you've had a drink, if it was hours ago, days ago, whatever, you will always be painted as impaired.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating using a gun in the way this guy did, even if the facts were as he says he believed. What I am saying is that the guy says he believed the driver struck someone (which the driver may have -- just not directly enough to cause injury), was trying to flee, and in the process of fleeing placed additional lives in danger. The bystanders expectedly turned against him. They saw a gun, freaked out, and their statements to police not surprisingly reflect that. The press then has its usual field day with it all. Even pro gun folks such as those here see it all in the same light the press wants them to. Something to think about.

i agree 0 drinks would have been best, but 3 didnt hardly phase him. did he think the situation out completely? probably not. why didnt we hear about the driver of the car? wheres the rest of the story? can someone please keep us updated on this one?

foo.c · 07-07-2008, 08:10 PM

As said above, if the driver really was near to running someone over, deadly force would be authorized.

Bree · 07-07-2008, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

He had three beers in about three and a half hours. Liquor was hardly a factor.

He got involved in what he believed was a driver who had struck someone and was attempting to leave the scene. A driver striking a tree and then backing up would lead most reasonable people to believe the driver was attempting to leave the scene. What was the driver doing, hitting a tree as part of their parrallel parking routine?

The bystanders and the press are leaving this guy to twist in the wind. Read the article again more carefully. Every inference is made and reported in a way to make this guy look like a criminal. Even the posts here want to see this guy lynched.

The bottom line take away from these types of incidents is (1) don't get involved if your life or the life of a family member is not in danger. No matter how you slice it, you will always come off looking like the bad guy and whatever good you think you might do will not be perceived as having done anyone any good; and (2) never tell the police you've had a drink, if it was hours ago, days ago, whatever, you will always be painted as impaired.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating using a gun in the way this guy did, even if the facts were as he says he believed. What I am saying is that the guy says he believed the driver struck someone (which the driver may have -- just not directly enough to cause injury), was trying to flee, and in the process of fleeing placed additional lives in danger. The bystanders expectedly turned against him. They saw a gun, freaked out, and their statements to police not surprisingly reflect that. The press then has its usual field day with it all. Even pro gun folks such as those here see it all in the same light the press wants them to. Something to think about.

Of course alcohol was a factor. The man used extremely poor judgement and that is what alcohol does... it impairs judgement. ONE drink begins the process of impairment.

People who carry guns should never mix their guns with alcohol or any other consciousness altering substance.

nickb · 07-07-2008, 09:40 PM

Having not seen it in person, who knows if he acted properly or not.

But a car driving through a crowded park could surely cause more damage than someone that just pointed a gun.

And, there are way too many factors involved to know if the beer had ANY effect on his behavior. Factors like;

what kind of beer

how big were the beers

does the guy normally drink said beer

what did he have to eat

etc. etc. etc.

If he BA was too high his permit is gone. But if a 200 guy who normally drinks 3 12 oz coors beers per night, has 3 over 3 hours he is not going to be impaired, period. (this is not opinion)

Being 25 years old is likely the largest factor in this case. (this is opinion)

The funny part is, had the guy in the car been left alone by all the bystanders and then run over folks, a lot of people would be whining about the fact that no one had the guts to try and stop him.

**rufusdog** · 07-07-2008, 09:58 PM

Some times you just have to think, I'm guessing there was very little of that going on..

07-07-2008, 04:40 PM	#1
xdyes XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: minnesota Posts: 76	Not the best decision... This lad should have used a different approach to this situation.Im guessing it was an XD45.Postbulletin.com: Rochester man charged for pointing gun at driver - Mon, Jul 7, 2008

07-07-2008, 04:43 PM	#2
Maddcat1 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Space Coast, FL Posts: 472	Brilliant! __________________ Glock 22C (my fav) XD 45 Bi Tone Tac XD 9 Tac FN 5 7 S&W M&P 9 and my carry, Kel-Tec PF-9

07-07-2008, 05:10 PM	#3
Broadside XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,913	Let's see, gun Check alcohol Check ccw Edit: Hope he has more going for him then the BS story in the paper __________________ XD - 9 Subcompact XD - 357 Service w/ SA Custom Carry Pro Pkg SA - Mil Spec 1911 A1

07-07-2008, 05:22 PM	#4
LUVMYSIGP225 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crackron, Ohio Posts: 5,574	What a derelict. People like him give me a bad name. And this, folks, is why you don't drink and carry. Suddenly you become super cop and decide to rid the world of its ills. Then, you sober up in jail and realize that you can never own a firearm again, once you get out of prison. __________________ "The hippies got high, and the hippies are dead. I went hunting, and I am still Ted." - The Nuge, 2006.

07-07-2008, 06:46 PM	#5
Philadelphia XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 473	He had three beers in about three and a half hours. Liquor was hardly a factor. He got involved in what he believed was a driver who had struck someone and was attempting to leave the scene. A driver striking a tree and then backing up would lead most reasonable people to believe the driver was attempting to leave the scene. What was the driver doing, hitting a tree as part of their parrallel parking routine? The bystanders and the press are leaving this guy to twist in the wind. Read the article again more carefully. Every inference is made and reported in a way to make this guy look like a criminal. Even the posts here want to see this guy lynched. The bottom line take away from these types of incidents is (1) don't get involved if your life or the life of a family member is not in danger. No matter how you slice it, you will always come off looking like the bad guy and whatever good you think you might do will not be perceived as having done anyone any good; and (2) never tell the police you've had a drink, if it was hours ago, days ago, whatever, you will always be painted as impaired. Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating using a gun in the way this guy did, even if the facts were as he says he believed. What I am saying is that the guy says he believed the driver struck someone (which the driver may have -- just not directly enough to cause injury), was trying to flee, and in the process of fleeing placed additional lives in danger. The bystanders expectedly turned against him. They saw a gun, freaked out, and their statements to police not surprisingly reflect that. The press then has its usual field day with it all. Even pro gun folks such as those here see it all in the same light the press wants them to. Something to think about. __________________ "Those who answer the call to serve may never be fully understood by those who never hear that call. Whether warfighter, citizen soldier or police officer, should appreciation not manifest itself take heart that the mission is always one of service, and by serving faithfully, courageously and often at great sacrifice, the privilege of service is its own highest reward. You have received the highest honor having been entrusted with the privilege of serving; there can be no greater reward."

07-07-2008, 08:10 PM	#7
foo.c XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 206	As said above, if the driver really was near to running someone over, deadly force would be authorized. __________________ Springfield EMP

07-07-2008, 09:40 PM	#9
nickb XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,343	Having not seen it in person, who knows if he acted properly or not. But a car driving through a crowded park could surely cause more damage than someone that just pointed a gun. And, there are way too many factors involved to know if the beer had ANY effect on his behavior. Factors like; what kind of beer how big were the beers does the guy normally drink said beer what did he have to eat etc. etc. etc. If he BA was too high his permit is gone. But if a 200 guy who normally drinks 3 12 oz coors beers per night, has 3 over 3 hours he is not going to be impaired, period. (this is not opinion) Being 25 years old is likely the largest factor in this case. (this is opinion) The funny part is, had the guy in the car been left alone by all the bystanders and then run over folks, a lot of people would be whining about the fact that no one had the guts to try and stop him. __________________ No PM sent..... But the average human can travel 21 feet in just about one second.

07-07-2008, 09:58 PM	#10
rufusdog XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 976	Some times you just have to think, I'm guessing there was very little of that going on..

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