Hit and Run victim ignored.....

[Nosrac]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

4 people did dial 911. If the guy next to you is dialing it already, would you still call? That makes no sense...if you see it's already being done you obviously don't need to do it again.

And regardless of any good samaritan laws, he would NOT be touched or moved by myself unless I personally knew him. A good lawyer can poke a huge hole through any law if he's paid enough.

Where in my post did I say to touch him or move him?

If you know someone has already called then it's rhetorical. I have been in a situation where I asked if someone called 911 and NOBODY had called it in!

[Majk]

Originally Posted by Landor

I am going to jump in on the other side of this.

First:
People are not shock resistant. When something happens that is so unbelievable people freeze up. Just like when a bad guy shooter is killing people and nobody tries to defend themselves. The human brain freezes. It can not believe or process what just happened or is happening. All those people that saw that were in shock. Four people called 911 within the first minute. That is not bad.

Second:
Other than get on their knees and hold his hand what were they suppose to do? Twenty people standing around doing nothing. This is more Media BS.

Let the flaming begin..

Yeah I'll flame you with napalm, what about the guy on the scooter that drove around the guy then took off.
Why didn't they help him stay laying down since he was still conscious but obviously injured? I bet if it was your ass down there you would have wanted help. Sure calling 911 is the cause of the hour now for help. But hasn't it bee discussed at length here that cops don't always respond immediately. He could have been laying there for 15 minutes before a cop came. Your telling me out of 20 people no one had any first aid training.

At the very least one of them could have helped direct traffic around the scene. People disgust me nowadays. Compassion for fellow humans went out along time ago. Just about the time that society become "all about me" society.


Trust me Landor that shock lasts for a minute or two, then you can react even if a citizen. I witnessed a guy hit right in front of me. Broke both his legs so they were face down but he was facing up. Shock, yeah for a minute or so, but then we tried to make him comfortable and then block that lane of the road with our cars to make it safer.
Apathy like yours is what is making this society degrade and an astonishing rate.

Second:
Other than get on their knees and hold his hand what were they suppose to do? Twenty people standing around doing nothing.

Yes that is the least they could do. But like I said, not one person in that crowd knew to keep him down, raise his feet, keep his had still, maybe make sure he was breathing?

No, no, just call 911 in the first minute. The police chief had it right the first time, he should have never backed of his first comments.


Lets see if I have this right, most here get torqued when someone stands by and lets a women get attacked, but we jump on Packer for trying to rescue a stolen purse, and some defend the crowd gathered around a obviously hurt man. And this man was in his 70's.

Wow, I thought women were hard to figure out.

[Majk]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

The biggest thing, even if you are CPR certified, is the legality of it all. Lets say the man wasn't breathing, but had damage done to his spine. You attempt to perform CPR, and in turn move him (which is generally what is tought now, CPR takes precidence over not moving the victim). He gets permanent damage to his spine and is paralyzed from the neck down. THAT is a lawsuit, folks. Unless he's handing me a written agreement saying I am allowed to perform first aid, or he is an aquaintence or family member, I'm not doing a thing short of calling the pros.

Plus, I'm not doing CPR without the plastic thing you put in their mouth. And I'm not touching them if they're bleeding. Me getting AIDs or some other blood born disease isn't worth it.

In most states they have a good samaritan law, you cannot be sued while trying to help someone.

[Joeywhat]

Originally Posted by Majk

In most states they have a good samaritan law, you cannot be sued while trying to help someone.

"Unless an act or omission is the result of gross negligence or willful misconduct..."

Taken from the MI law. A good lawyer could argue that you were negligent in his care. Again, I'm not saying it's morally right, but I'd rather NOT get into any legal trouble for it. The right to bear arms is supposed to be a law too, and look how that gets thrown around...

[Majk]

Originally Posted by Landor

You can not expect to people act like you THINK you would. In a stress situation everybody acts differently. Not to mention everybody is suing everybody over everything. It is all a factor. It is easy to say they should of blocked traffic. You had plenty of time to think about it. An off duty fire fighter or LE or medical tech might think along those lines but that is their training kicking in. You can sit here and convince everybody what a hero you would of been there but you can not judge these people. You have no right.

Dude, you've probably seen more horror and gore growing up than an emt. Shock isn't like it used to be, we see more blood and guts on tv than ever before. So that doesn't hold water, they were accident gawking at BEST!!

[Joeywhat]

Also, after skimming through it all, I didn't notice anything about non-trained personnel giving the care. It's more to protect someone who has formal training in first aid, not some dude off the street who watches too much ER.

[Majk]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

And regardless of any good samaritan laws, he would NOT be touched or moved by myself unless I personally knew him. A good lawyer can poke a huge hole through any law if he's paid enough.

Wow paranoia, just watch out for the zombies.

[Joeywhat]

Originally Posted by Majk

Wow paranoia, just watch out for the zombies.

I see to see more ridiculous lawsuits being won then zombies...

[Majk]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

"Unless an act or omission is the result of gross negligence or willful misconduct..."

Taken from the MI law. A good lawyer could argue that you were negligent in his care. Again, I'm not saying it's morally right, but I'd rather NOT get into any legal trouble for it. The right to bear arms is supposed to be a law too, and look how that gets thrown around...

Well I guess if it was me, and I helped stop more cars from running over him, I helped him while in shock and comforted him until the authorities arrived, god bless him if he wants to sue me. I'm ok with that. If a 72 yr. old man wants to sue me for me helping him, then ok.

Your reading way, way too much into what if. Gross negligence is NOT HELPING AN OLD MAN LAYING IN THE STREET HURT.

Lets see you want to compare right to bear arms and legal trouble if the good samaritan law didn't protect you, so sad.

[Majk]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

I see to see more ridiculous lawsuits being won then zombies...

Yes but what doesn't make the news is allot of those lawsuits being overturned on appellate or having the verdict changed by the judge. You can slice it anyway you like it, he's a stranger, if it was a family member and you didn't know their medical history, you would have helped them.