Hit and Run victim ignored.....

[Joeywhat]

When I took it (December 07?) they were still doing 3 breaths 30 compressions. Also, unless he is in DIRECT danger at the moment, he shouldn't be moved. If he was on the freeway, sure. If he's on a 25 mph street, off to the side where cars can freely get around, I'd rather direct traffic.

Basically what I'm saying is that the bystanders did nothing wrong, and should not be judged for their actions. Many called 911, and I doubt many had any CPR or first aid training.

[Wendytww]

Regardless of CPR training or anything else, someone should have at least talked to the guy, blocked off traffic, something. It said he was conscious and bleeding. If you are laying there on the road hurt, even if there is nothing anyone can do but call 911, it would be a great comfort to walk over there and tell him that help is coming. Imagine how scared, in pain and alone he must have felt.

[Nosrac]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

Basically what I'm saying is that the bystanders did nothing wrong, and should not be judged for their actions. Many called 911, and I doubt many had any CPR or first aid training.

No they should be judged for their inaction. I saw this on the news last night and I was appalled. Nobody ran out to stop traffic, nobody went to see what kind of condition he was in. One dude walks across the street right by him and doesn't even stop to see if the guy is all right. If you are too helpless to do anything else at least step out and see if the guy is conscience and able to talk and freekin dial 911.

[Broadside]

I updated my CPR certification back in Feburary easy to do when the company pays for it and has the class onsite.

They did update the CPR guide, basiclly it's 2 breaths / 30 compressions across the board for Adults and Children. However, if you feel uncomfortable doing ventilations just do compressions for adults. Adults don't require as many ventiliations as children especially with a heart attack. Children its critical you do ventiliations.

SETUP was one of the acronyms I was taught in this last class.

S - Stop, pause to identify hazards
E - Environment
T- Traffic (Don't get run over or become a victim yourself)
U - Uknown Hazards
P - Protect yourself (glove up)

I'm not justfying that nobody did anything, several factors come into play when responding to a situation like that. Personal safety is tops, you don't want to become a victim. Second you don't know anything about the victim, so unless i've got gloves & mask they may not get more then emotional support depending on the situation outside of calling 911.

[longtalltechsan]

Originally Posted by Landor

I am going to jump in on the other side of this.

First:
People are not shock resistant. When something happens that is so unbelievable people freeze up. Just like when a bad guy shooter is killing people and nobody tries to defend themselves. The human brain freezes. It can not believe or process what just happened or is happening. All those people that saw that were in shock. Four people called 911 within the first minute. That is not bad.

Second:
Other than get on their knees and hold his hand what were they suppose to do? Twenty people standing around doing nothing. This is more Media BS.

Let the flaming begin..

Media BS? Give me a break! That is absurd. There are so many things people could have done. Run out and talk to him, see how badly he's hurt, stop traffic, drag him off the street. The list goes on.

Our society is getting so complacent. People don't want to help people anymore and it is sad.

[Firefighter701]

sad

[Firefighter701]

Even if there is a spinal injury the first three things that are most important are the ABC's Airway Breathing Circulation. If all three of thoes are not intact it doesnt matter if you move him or not because he will die without his ABC's As a EMT-I if there is any immideate danger to life an emergency move allowed. We dont know if he was breathing or not but as you can see from the video people didnt even check our soceity has stopped caring about our neighbors. I see it everyday on the job no one moves for emergency vehicles or they try to pull out in front of us to try to save a little time and not get stuck behind the accident. I may be on a rant but people just dont care anymore.

[Landor]

Originally Posted by longtalltechsan

Media BS? Give me a break! That is absurd. There are so many things people could have done. Run out and talk to him, see how badly he's hurt, stop traffic, drag him off the street. The list goes on.

Our society is getting so complacent. People don't want to help people anymore and it is sad.

You can not expect to people act like you THINK you would. In a stress situation everybody acts differently. Not to mention everybody is suing everybody over everything. It is all a factor. It is easy to say they should of blocked traffic. You had plenty of time to think about it. An off duty fire fighter or LE or medical tech might think along those lines but that is their training kicking in. You can sit here and convince everybody what a hero you would of been there but you can not judge these people. You have no right.

[Joeywhat]

Originally Posted by Nosrac

No they should be judged for their inaction. I saw this on the news last night and I was appalled. Nobody ran out to stop traffic, nobody went to see what kind of condition he was in. One dude walks across the street right by him and doesn't even stop to see if the guy is all right. If you are too helpless to do anything else at least step out and see if the guy is conscience and able to talk and freekin dial 911.

4 people did dial 911. If the guy next to you is dialing it already, would you still call? That makes no sense...if you see it's already being done you obviously don't need to do it again.

And regardless of any good samaritan laws, he would NOT be touched or moved by myself unless I personally knew him. A good lawyer can poke a huge hole through any law if he's paid enough.

[Nosrac]

Originally Posted by Landor

You can not expect to people act like you THINK you would. In a stress situation everybody acts differently. Not to mention everybody is suing everybody over everything. It is all a factor. It is easy to say they should of blocked traffic. You had plenty of time to think about it. An off duty fire fighter or LE or medical tech might think along those lines but that is their training kicking in. You can sit here and convince everybody what a hero you would of been there but you can not judge these people. You have no right.

This is sad.

I had to erase all my initial responses to this. This is so pathetic I can't respond.