Hit and Run victim ignored.....

[Joeywhat]

What should they have done? Gone to his aid and start giving medical help when they are untrained to do so? That's a lawsuit waiting to happen...and if he was bleeding, did they have gloves to protect himself? No one knows what diseases he has...they called 911, which is as far as they shoud've gone, barring one of them had formal medical training.

[Modificationvt]

its hard to tell if anyone is using their cell phones to call 911 in the video. beond that what can people do? I mean after all after an accident like that if his neck isnt broken its better to not move them and risk you breaking their neck.

I remember seeing a homeless guy here get hit by a car, I called 911 and stayed and kept the guy awake and talking, but behond that what could I have done? I am first aid and CPR certified, he was awake and breathing, and I just kept him talking until the buss came for him. a lot of people who were walking or driving buy asked if he was ok and if anyone had called 911, when they heard 911 had been called they kept on with thier day (what good would they have done if they stayed). but if there was a silent video on the scene it would have looked like I was the only one in this town that did anything to help even though many people checked to see if there was anthing they could have done.

it is sad that some one could commit a hit and run now-a-days but it happens way more often than people think (I have been the victom of one myself...thankefuly not as bad)

I dont think we can make a fair jugement on those in the video since we cant hear whats going on, but it does look bad.

and I hope they find the hit and run driver, tie his nuts to a truck and drive.

[Joeywhat]

The biggest thing, even if you are CPR certified, is the legality of it all. Lets say the man wasn't breathing, but had damage done to his spine. You attempt to perform CPR, and in turn move him (which is generally what is tought now, CPR takes precidence over not moving the victim). He gets permanent damage to his spine and is paralyzed from the neck down. THAT is a lawsuit, folks. Unless he's handing me a written agreement saying I am allowed to perform first aid, or he is an aquaintence or family member, I'm not doing a thing short of calling the pros.

Plus, I'm not doing CPR without the plastic thing you put in their mouth. And I'm not touching them if they're bleeding. Me getting AIDs or some other blood born disease isn't worth it.

[Shock & Awe]

Originally Posted by Landor

I am going to jump in on the other side of this.

First:
People are not shock resistant. When something happens that is so unbelievable people freeze up. Just like when a bad guy shooter is killing people and nobody tries to defend themselves. The human brain freezes. It can not believe or process what just happened or is happening. All those people that saw that were in shock. Four people called 911 within the first minute. That is not bad.

Second:
Other than get on their knees and hold his hand what were they suppose to do? Twenty people standing around doing nothing. This is more Media BS.

Let the flaming begin..

This is quite a bit different than a bg shooting at you. There is no danger to these people. It's not like they are scared for their own lives.

Yes there is a shock factor but much more could have been done. How about blocking off traffic, making a path for the ambulance, comforting and talking to this poor victim, applying pressure to his wounds, Hell anyone can check to see if he is breathing or even his pulse.

They were probably all dems/liberals. That's the only explanation I can think of. They can't do anything on their own or think on their own. Make everyone else take care of it and then bitch and complain on how it was done.

[th1npower]

ya'll scared about doing CPR need to read up on the new protocol.. rescue breathing is no longer required, compressions are paramount.

i've found in trauma situations people either have the instinct to help or they don't.. those that hang around are just gawking out of morbid curiousity.

[Modificationvt]

Originally Posted by th1npower

ya'll scared about doing CPR need to read up on the new protocol.. rescue breathing is no longer required, compressions are paramount.

i've found in trauma situations people either have the instinct to help or they don't.. those that hang around are just gawking out of morbid curiousity.

your right, itn't it 3 breaths then 30 compresions? its been a while since my CPR class I need to renue it soon.

also you cant tell in the video if the person is breathing or not...just because hes not rolling around doesnt mean he isnt breathing, and if he is breathing NOT TOUCHING him is the right thing to do.

[Kev_n_Az]

in AZ, if you are CPR certified and you assist an accident victim or other "victim", you are bound by law to stay until med-vac arrives. you must continue with life saving procedures until relieved by state licensed medical personnel arrive and take over.

where I live, we have fire stations 3 - 5 miles apart in the neighborhoods. response time is minimal.

[CommieHunter]

As far as helping him goes...

What about re-directing traffic to make sure he doesn't get hit again?

What about just talking to him to try and help him stay concious, if he is concious?

[newKid]

Originally Posted by Shock & Awe

This is quite a bit different than a bg shooting at you. There is no danger to these people. It's not like they are scared for their own lives.

Yes there is a shock factor but much more could have been done. How about blocking off traffic, making a path for the ambulance, comforting and talking to this poor victim, applying pressure to his wounds, Hell anyone can check to see if he is breathing or even his pulse.

They were probably all dems/liberals. That's the only explanation I can think of. They can't do anything on their own or think on their own. Make everyone else take care of it and then bitch and complain on how it was done.

this is an unfair and ignorant statement.


and i hate barack as much as the next guy.

[thejoe]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

The biggest thing, even if you are CPR certified, is the legality of it all. Lets say the man wasn't breathing, but had damage done to his spine. You attempt to perform CPR, and in turn move him (which is generally what is tought now, CPR takes precidence over not moving the victim). He gets permanent damage to his spine and is paralyzed from the neck down. THAT is a lawsuit, folks. Unless he's handing me a written agreement saying I am allowed to perform first aid, or he is an aquaintence or family member, I'm not doing a thing short of calling the pros.

Plus, I'm not doing CPR without the plastic thing you put in their mouth. And I'm not touching them if they're bleeding. Me getting AIDs or some other blood born disease isn't worth it.

I understand this fear, but the Good Samaritan Laws prohibit law suits against people with CPR/FA training in this specific situation. If a guy isn't breating, it's safe to assume (by law) that he wants you to move him (no matter what injuries may occur) because his life is at stake. If a person is unconscious in a car with a possible cervical spine fracture and the car catches on fire, you are 100% allowed to pull that person from the burning car to save their life. A reasonable person would expect this and the law protects people who act reasonably in the best interests of a victim.

By the way: the old CPR standard was 2 breaths to 30 compressions - now it's JUST compressions (no breaths) in people suffering probable heart attack. Still do the breaths for children.

joe