Oh crap...we're screwed....

[Amkus]

Originally Posted by gunman496

how well do u know him? based on your personal relationship with this cat do you think he'd ever follow orders to work against U.S. citizens? ex: like taking or guns or our lives like someone else mentioned?

I look at contracting this way. You're a guy that spends a good deal of your life working hard in the military for very little money. I can't really blame anyone that works hard to defend out country and then takes a job where they can use the skills they know to make some money that they should have gotten doing their job.

The guy I know was an army ranger for about 8 years of his life. He now does VIP protection in Africa. He's told me that he hopes he never has to shoot anyone ever again. He's told me a few things about the work that I won't get into, just because it's personal. But he really isn't somebody that I could see going around slaughtering inocents for ****s and giggles.

He's the only contractor I know, so maybe he's different. That's just my take on it all.

[Yuppicide]

Originally Posted by TRIGRHAPPY

Blackwater, and our government's use of it, is a direct threat to the personal civil liberties of ALL Americans.

+1,000,000,000,000,000

[MGD 45]

Maybe the plane was bought to be used for or in training purposes......start small, train on a budget, then buy bigger & better when the time & money is right.....

I think Blackwater has it's place in the world.....but maybe what they should do is place the Blackwater "troops" under the direct command of a military Officer, who would be responsible for any of their actions & they would have to follow under their rules too.

I equate this to any certified LEO who went to Katrina & had to be "sworn" in by the Agency in charge before be able to take "Police Action". That LEO had to take orders from the local/State/Fed. LE agencies in charge and fell under their command........maybe the same thing should apply to Blackwater.

[three]

Originally Posted by AZXD

You seem to be the one with the blown gasket.

But I have a question before this continues ...
How many years ??

I'd like to know the same thing.

I got 9. 2 13B & 7 11B...& I don't think blackwater is bad ass.

Getting to be a lot of mall ninjas & wannabes lately.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by three

I'd like to know the same thing.

I got 9. 2 13B & 7 11B...& I don't think blackwater is bad ass.

Getting to be a lot of mall ninjas & wannabes lately.

Hollywood does tend to glorify things.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by MGD 45

Maybe the plane was bought to be used for or in training purposes......start small, train on a budget, then buy bigger & better when the time & money is right.....

I think Blackwater has it's place in the world.....but maybe what they should do is place the Blackwater "troops" under the direct command of a military Officer, who would be responsible for any of their actions & they would have to follow under their rules too.

I equate this to any certified LEO who went to Katrina & had to be "sworn" in by the Agency in charge before be able to take "Police Action". That LEO had to take orders from the local/State/Fed. LE agencies in charge and fell under their command........maybe the same thing should apply to Blackwater.

I can always count on you to be rational
IMO, Putting them under military command should have happened on day one. Good idea!!

[livinloud5]

Originally Posted by AZXD

You seem to be the one with the blown gasket.

But I have a question before this continues ...
How many years ??

Years has nothing to do with it.

But ok, my post was misunderstood.

I myself am not pro Blackwater or against Blackwater. I do not like the fact that they make there own rules. Or that they abuse the rules. and that they can be used against us Americans.

My rant was that the Blackwater troops can do what ever they want, but if an American soldier steps out of line once, then they are sent back to the U.S. and prosecuted. As where the Blackwater troops aren't.

Blake.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by livinloud5

Years has nothing to do with it.

But ok, my post was misunderstood.

I myself am not pro Blackwater or against Blackwater. I do not like the fact that they make there own rules. Or that they abuse the rules. and that they can be used against us Americans.

My rant was that the Blackwater troops can do what ever they want, but if an American soldier steps out of line once, then they are sent back to the U.S. and prosecuted. As where the Blackwater troops aren't.

Blake.

Yea mis-understood. Your first comment was

Originally Posted by livinloud5

I agree with everyone else. Blackwater is awesome. its actually want i want to do as my career.

Blake.

What do you expect ??

My quesion about years was a reference to how many years of service you have completed thus far. For all the good/bad that they do ... They don't hire off the streets. So YES ... Years has a lot to do with it. They also don't hire just any prior service individual. My understanding is they prefer SpecOps personnel and pretty much ignore everyone else.

If you want to make a career with a group like Blackwater you'll need to get used to a no rules environment. That's what they do, and that's why I don't like or trust such groups. I'm sure there are some fine individuals within this group. But the bottom line equates to a contractual ability to ignore any laws per a contract for money. I'm not to keen on people who buy off legal systems ... So ya wanna guess how I feel about those who are the receivers of the buy off ???

I just hope that ... If the day ever comes ... Many of Blackwater's personel remember their military oath and ignore unConstitutional missions within the United States.

I guess we need groups like Blackwater in Iraq. But they really should be under military authority and subject to the same restrictions our troops operate under.

Best of luck with your career choices and think way beyond Iraq. Do a little research into covert ops and overpaid security contractors. You might even want to rent Clear & Present Danger and pay attention to the people working for the drug cartel. Because when the wars are not happening you'll need to do something, and the CIA/DEA/FBI etcetera already have some good people, and the higher-ups in Blackwater will be watching out for themselves as the pink slips are issued.

If I am out of line, please get a lot more specific. But honestly, from what you've wrote ... I think a little internal reflection about the future might be a good thing.
Do some reading SpecialForces.net - and talk to a recruiter. It will be good for your resume, regardless of what you do in the future.

AZXD steps of soapbox.

[MGD 45]

All this talk on BW had me doing some internet searching last night and i came across this little gem.....

Blackwater Is Soaked | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com

For those who can't read the link.....BlackWater operator's actually get into a wreck with a US Army Humvee, and then they disarmed the US soldiers, had them lay on the ground & held them at gunpoint until they untangled their SUV from the Humvee.....unbelievable.....simply unbelievable!!

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by MGD 45

All this talk on BW had me doing some internet searching last night and i came across this little gem.....

Blackwater Is Soaked | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com

For those who can't read the link.....BlackWater operator's actually get into a wreck with a US Army Humvee, and then they disarmed the US soldiers, had them lay on the ground & held them at gunpoint until they untangled their SUV from the Humvee.....unbelievable.....simply unbelievable!!

Another reason to not trust those who do battle for profit

Awesome ? ... I think not.
Rules of engagement and the honor our troops carry as they do the right thing, are the only reason those a$$holes are alive.
They should feel very lucky our troops do not operate under their system of NO RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!