My Walmart Adventure

[standerson]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

This was then before the victims became the "criminal" in many cases, right? Times have changed.

My weapon is to be used for defense against harm or death to myself, family, or in a situation that others are in grave danger of the same. Not in any way, shape or form to protect anyone's purse. I'll stand by my original post. You keep walking around with severely elevated testosterone if you like. Just make sure you have the attorney on retainer if you do so.

At least he had enough testosterone in his system to take action. Sorry, I can't stand by and watch people get robbed, their houses/cars broken into, etc.

If it had been your wifes purse, the quote in the newspaper would have been "All these people in the parking lot; no one saw anything or tried to stop the theives"

He showed great restraint by not drawing his weapon. He did a good job.

[bigun]

Originally Posted by PackerfanXD

Looks like I was acting within the law.

The only thing that confuses me is why is it legal to kill a pedophile in the act of mollesting a child but not when he's caught after the fact? This would brighten the day of manny Police Officers not to mention future victims.

[invssgt]

Glad you're OK Packer; good on you for trying to help out. Just keep one thing in mind...some of these bastards will run a cop down in full uniform, with a riot gun in his hands. They ain't goin' back for that 3rd strike and a fella with a gun, cop or not, is just an occupational speedbump as far as they're concerned.

I'm glad you didn't fire any shots. Your life would have become grossly complicated and the word 'lawyer' would probably have replaced 'beer' and 'TV' in your vocabulary for awhile.

[Kev_n_Az]

if not mentioned afore, the WalMart at Stapley and US 60 in Mesa is way confused about store policy and laws.

a friend of mines neighbor walked in to the store while open carrying. him and his son were there to SHOP for groceries. this guys wife works for WM corp also.

an assistant manager freaked and told him to leave or he would call the cops.

the customer dialed Mesa PD for the assistant manager


this store has such a high crime rate, they have a Mesa PD office on site at the front entrance. they have several plain clothes LEO's on regular duty there also.

Mesa PD said to not worry and continue on with shopping.

LEO on site would not even involve themselves with the incident.


guess where Im shopping this weekend !!!

[standerson]

Originally Posted by bigun

I agree if there were more people like you maybe crime rates would drop. I applaud your king sized cahones, and quick thinking for getting the plate # and not turning a smash & Grab into a lethal force situation. Most of you that have CCL's have had it drummed into your heads about strict liability but not every situation calls for a draw. And that doesnt mean you cant do something to help out your fellow man or woman in this kind of situation. Again Bravo.

Very well put.

[Broadside]

Originally Posted by PackerfanXD

Looks like I was acting within the law.

Sec. 3. Section 13-411, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:

13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention; applicability

A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904, or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.

B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using PHYSICAL FORCE OR deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.

C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if he THE PERSON is acting to prevent the commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.

D. THIS SECTION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE USE OR THREATENED USE OF PHYSICAL OR DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE IN A PERSON'S HOME, RESIDENCE, PLACE OF BUSINESS, LAND THE PERSON OWNS OR LEASES, CONVEYANCE OF ANY KIND, OR ANY OTHER PLACE IN THIS STATE WHERE A PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO BE.

You need to read the AZ Burglary statues for Section 13-507, if it was Section 13-1506 then you would be covered for using force to stop the crime. However, you did not use any force you pursued / chased the suspect. He attempted to run you over with the car so use of Deadly Force to protect yourself would have come into play under 13-404.

13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.


13-1506. Burglary in the third degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the third degree by:
1. Entering or remaining unlawfully in or on a nonresidential structure or in a fenced commercial or residential yard with the intent to commit any theft or any felony therein.
2. Making entry into any part of a motor vehicle by means of a manipulation key or master key, with the intent to commit any theft or felony in the motor vehicle.
B. Burglary in the third degree is a class 4 felony.

[PackerfanXD]

Thanks for the kind words guys. And thanks for clearing that up for me Broadside.

[Jettubby]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

This was then before the victims became the "criminal" in many cases, right? Times have changed.

My weapon is to be used for defense against harm or death to myself, family, or in a situation that others are in grave danger of the same. Not in any way, shape or form to protect anyone's purse. I'll stand by my original post. You keep walking around with severely elevated testosterone if you like. Just make sure you have the attorney on retainer if you do so.

I never said he should use his weapon and he didn't. The weapon wasn't a factor. Forget the weapon. He chased a BG when most people would just look away.

[nikon777]

Originally Posted by PackerfanXD

My wife and I just got back from Walmart. As we were looking for a spot, my wife, who is much more situationally aware than I am, saw some scumbag that she thought was breaking into a Caddy but she wasn't sure. I pulled into the next aisle and parked just across for him.
At this point I see him jimmy the door and reach inside, grab a purse and start walking off looking around. As he walks off I jump out and start running after him. My wife tells witnesses to call 911. I am right on this guy and I know that I'll catch him within 30-40 strides. He rounds a conversion van and when i got up to it I lost him temporarily. Then I see a beater back out two parking spaces next to me.
I run in back of it (stupid), slap the trunk with my hands and yelled for him to stop. He didn't. He nearly ran me over backing up. After I got out of the way I ran in front of the car. This time I had my shirt up over my XD. I had one hand on a now obvious pistol and the other hand making a stop gesture. He didn't. He damn near killed me. I also noticed that he had a female passenger as well. I was able to get a decent description and license plate which I passed on to the cops.
The owners finally come out of WallyWorld and we tell them what happened. They were very thankful that I tried to get the guy. The cops were cool too. I told the officer that I had CWP and that I wanted to draw down but didn't. He said of course that I did the right thing. I wanted to ask him if I did draw down on the guy If I would have been arrested but forgot to ask.
I'll tell ya, I was running as fast as I have in some time. If that guy kept running, I would've ground him into the parking lot.

Pack your my man, but I gotta disagree with you this time. Theres never a reason to put yourself in danger to defend property. It's so not worth it. Thats why stores tell clerks not to chase shop lifters. Its not worth getting shanked or shot because some stupid lady left her purse in the car. I woulda' attempted to call the cops and get the plates maybe, but thats where it ends. Trying to save the day can get you hurt. Glad your alright though man.

peace.

[texas_rebel_1980]

that was incredibly stupid............................................ ..and cool. if more people were like that this world would be a better place. too bad he didn't reach in his pocket or waistband, then the chase would have ended differently. glad you're okay and hope someone wastes that dirt bag. +1,000,000 for you. stay safe and i would buy you a beer, but i'll drink one for ya!