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XDConvert9mm · 05-30-2008, 09:03 PM

I have to go with the smaller crowd that thinks this was maybe not the best idea. This situation IMO is tailor made for a 911 call and maybe get a plate number and physical description if you can to pass along to LEOs. That's their job.

I'm glad you wound up OK and that you didn't decide to draw and fire. Chances are that it would have wound up as badly or worse for you than for the BGs here with Court hassles and Civil suits.

MrN1ck · 05-30-2008, 09:23 PM

I'd have to say you made a big mistake. I think you would have been better off chasing and only getting descriptions of the suspects and the vehicle/license plate # and that's it.

Chasing after the suspect and trying to physically restrain them only for stealing someone else's purse should be left for the police IMO. Not only can you open yourself up to civil liability, you could have lost your life over some thug stealing a purse (running you over, or potentially having a gun). If you want to take the gamble that the person may or may not be armed, it's your choice, but I don't think it's worth it over a purse. A CCW permit should only be used for your protection from immediate danger, not to go around policing the area.

Please do not take any offense to this, as I was not there and am basing this off of what you posted here. I'm glad that you are ok and it worked out for you.

thisismyusername · 05-30-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrN1ck

I'd have to say you made a big mistake. I think you would have been better off chasing and only getting descriptions of the suspects and the vehicle/license plate # and that's it.

Chasing after the suspect and trying to physically restrain them only for stealing someone else's purse should be left for the police IMO. Not only can you open yourself up to civil liability, you could have lost your life over some thug stealing a purse (running you over, or potentially having a gun). If you want to take the gamble that the person may or may not be armed, it's your choice, but I don't think it's worth it over a purse. A CCW permit should only be used for your protection from immediate danger, not to go around policing the area.

Please do not take any offense to this, as I was not there and am basing this off of what you posted here. I'm glad that you are ok and it worked out for you.

+1 - did you get the license plate and vehicle information?

ElJimmyStrappo · 05-30-2008, 09:31 PM

Way to go man. We cops need more people like you.

Jettubby · 05-30-2008, 09:37 PM

It's about time someone has the ba((s to take action. Good for you. Ignore these other guys. Dumb why? Because you could get hurt? Our country was founded on those that said, "Life's a risk but I'm going to do the right thing". Hell you could get hurt walking down the street. I hate scumbags like that who steal from others. Nice to know someone was hot on their rear. Maybe they'll think twice next time. Years ago I witnessed some guy breaking in my neighbor's car. I was pumped, grabbed the guy, and slammed him around a bit before my father was over him with a baseball bat daring him to move. Was given a police to citizen commendation. Seeing 'wrong' just makes me mad and doing nothing is saying, "I'm too chicken or or don't want to risk my precious little rear to do the right thing". Sometimes you just react and I think that reaction was not dumb, but noble. Good for you. If more people reacted like this then crime would be on the run.

XDConvert9mm · 05-30-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jettubby

It's about time someone has the ba((s to take action. Good for you. Ignore these other guys. Dumb why? Because you could get hurt? Our country was founded on those that said, "Life's a risk but I'm going to do the right thing". Hell you could get hurt walking down the street. I hate scumbags like that who steal from others. Nice to know someone was hot on their rear. Maybe they'll think twice next time. Years ago I witnessed some guy breaking in my neighbor's car. I was pumped, grabbed the guy, and slammed him around a bit before my father was over him with a baseball bat daring him to move. Was given a police to citizen commendation. Seeing 'wrong' just makes me mad and doing nothing is saying, "I'm too chicken or or don't want to risk my precious little rear to do the right thing". Sometimes you just react and I think that reaction was not dumb, but noble. Good for you. If more people reacted like this then crime would be on the run.

This was then before the victims became the "criminal" in many cases, right? Times have changed.

My weapon is to be used for defense against harm or death to myself, family, or in a situation that others are in grave danger of the same. Not in any way, shape or form to protect anyone's purse.

I'll stand by my original post. You keep walking around with severely elevated testosterone if you like. Just make sure you have the attorney on retainer if you do so.

Quote:

I have to go with the smaller crowd that thinks this was maybe not the best idea. This situation IMO is tailor made for a 911 call and maybe get a plate number and physical description if you can to pass along to LEOs. That's their job.

I'm glad you wound up OK and that you didn't decide to draw and fire. Chances are that it would have wound up as badly or worse for you than for the BGs here with Court hassles and Civil suits.

Broadside · 05-30-2008, 11:45 PM

Just remember no matter what happens GO HOME every night. Could you or should you have done something different. Sure after thoughts, second guesses and arm chair quarter backs will tell you something different. You are a great witness and LE is good, they will catch the guy. But it does get your blood pumping and you want to give the BG road rash something fierce. Probably a good thing you didn't catch him. Check the citizen's arrest powers for your state and ability to lawfully detain a BG and for what types of crimes committed in your presence. When I was a LEO I picked up 3 BG's that were held by civilians for crimes.

You might see if LE will charge the driver for trying to run you over. That alone I would draw and shoot. They knew you were behind the vehicle and in an effort to not get caught would have done anything including run you over to get away. Screw what everyone else says that's assault with deadly weapon "car" to attempted murder, I'd easily state I feared for my life and put a few rounds down range. Any LEO would or could have drawn and shot in that situation. Plenty of case law for a justified shoot in that situation. The question is as a civilian do you want to go through the hassle and legal fees sure to be involved in the case over a purse. How you got into the situation maybe a sticky issue, either way it would be a justified shoot but cost you some coin in court.

On a side note, how many people even get up to look out the window when the neighbors car alarm goes off. Nobody does, nobody cares. I've had the anti-gunners tell friends to buy a whistle and blow it when they need assistance vs buying a gun. How many people will come running if they hear a whistle blowing. Nobody, how many people come when they hear a gun shot. Lots..... Apathy is lethal and a lot of it is going around.

You did good, it's a learning experience and didn't cost you anything and is a great discussion for the forum for all of us.

jblakk · 05-31-2008, 12:09 AM

I think you did a good job. I think once he got to his car and started to move you should have just got the plate, and given it to the LEOs...BUT, I do understand why you initiated the chase. You saw the guy breaking into the car, and if you had gotten there a few seconds early, you might have chased him off, and saved the purse. I think you made a valient attempt to save someone some heartache, and trouble, and I do hope that Karma comes back to you someday. Glad your ok, and glad to see someone who has a selfless side to them.

ducttape2 · 05-31-2008, 12:34 AM

I appreciate your post. It is an opportunity for this group to discuss the pro-con, legal and other aspects of the event. I am a pilot and one of the things that you will see in most Aviation magazines and books, is discussions about accidents and other "events." It is a form of training and allows everyone to learn from your VERY real experience. The best teacher is experience.

As you have stated there are things that you could have done different to limit your risk and I would agree. But, as Jettuby pointed out. You actually didn't just standby and watch a crime occur. You took decisive action and that is a behavior that is generally lacking in our current society.

Thanks for sharing.

**Cannibul** · 05-31-2008, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ElJimmyStrappo

Way to go man. We cops need more people like you.

Why so you can file the information in the round file?

That's what happens out this way.

As I stated once he tried to back the car over me I would have shot. That's attempted murder.

05-30-2008, 09:03 PM	#31
XDConvert9mm XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW Atlanta Suburbs Posts: 3,681	I have to go with the smaller crowd that thinks this was maybe not the best idea. This situation IMO is tailor made for a 911 call and maybe get a plate number and physical description if you can to pass along to LEOs. That's their job. I'm glad you wound up OK and that you didn't decide to draw and fire. Chances are that it would have wound up as badly or worse for you than for the BGs here with Court hassles and Civil suits. __________________ "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

05-30-2008, 09:23 PM	#32
MrN1ck XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 93	I'd have to say you made a big mistake. I think you would have been better off chasing and only getting descriptions of the suspects and the vehicle/license plate # and that's it. Chasing after the suspect and trying to physically restrain them only for stealing someone else's purse should be left for the police IMO. Not only can you open yourself up to civil liability, you could have lost your life over some thug stealing a purse (running you over, or potentially having a gun). If you want to take the gamble that the person may or may not be armed, it's your choice, but I don't think it's worth it over a purse. A CCW permit should only be used for your protection from immediate danger, not to go around policing the area. Please do not take any offense to this, as I was not there and am basing this off of what you posted here. I'm glad that you are ok and it worked out for you. __________________ XD .45 ACP Service

05-30-2008, 09:31 PM	#34
ElJimmyStrappo XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SE Idaho Posts: 1,316	Way to go man. We cops need more people like you. __________________ The Carry: Springfield XD 9 Service - Crossbreed Supertuck & DGR with #16 and #22 springs. The Tack Driver: Sako Vixen L461 .222 Rifle with Bushnell 4X Scope A real tack driver! The Fun Gun: Marlin .22 LR with Bushnell 7X Scope The best weapon anyone can have: a brain. "The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." -John Steinbeck "Beware the man who owns just one gun, he will know how to use it."

05-30-2008, 09:37 PM	#35
Jettubby XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "Blink...and you're mine!" Posts: 1,831	It's about time someone has the ba((s to take action. Good for you. Ignore these other guys. Dumb why? Because you could get hurt? Our country was founded on those that said, "Life's a risk but I'm going to do the right thing". Hell you could get hurt walking down the street. I hate scumbags like that who steal from others. Nice to know someone was hot on their rear. Maybe they'll think twice next time. Years ago I witnessed some guy breaking in my neighbor's car. I was pumped, grabbed the guy, and slammed him around a bit before my father was over him with a baseball bat daring him to move. Was given a police to citizen commendation. Seeing 'wrong' just makes me mad and doing nothing is saying, "I'm too chicken or or don't want to risk my precious little rear to do the right thing". Sometimes you just react and I think that reaction was not dumb, but noble. Good for you. If more people reacted like this then crime would be on the run. __________________ T "You can come along peacefully or you don't have to come along at all". - Sonny Crockett "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln "My 1911 is better than your 911." Last edited by Jettubby : 05-30-2008 at 09:40 PM.

05-30-2008, 11:45 PM	#37
Broadside XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,911	Just remember no matter what happens GO HOME every night. Could you or should you have done something different. Sure after thoughts, second guesses and arm chair quarter backs will tell you something different. You are a great witness and LE is good, they will catch the guy. But it does get your blood pumping and you want to give the BG road rash something fierce. Probably a good thing you didn't catch him. Check the citizen's arrest powers for your state and ability to lawfully detain a BG and for what types of crimes committed in your presence. When I was a LEO I picked up 3 BG's that were held by civilians for crimes. You might see if LE will charge the driver for trying to run you over. That alone I would draw and shoot. They knew you were behind the vehicle and in an effort to not get caught would have done anything including run you over to get away. Screw what everyone else says that's assault with deadly weapon "car" to attempted murder, I'd easily state I feared for my life and put a few rounds down range. Any LEO would or could have drawn and shot in that situation. Plenty of case law for a justified shoot in that situation. The question is as a civilian do you want to go through the hassle and legal fees sure to be involved in the case over a purse. How you got into the situation maybe a sticky issue, either way it would be a justified shoot but cost you some coin in court. On a side note, how many people even get up to look out the window when the neighbors car alarm goes off. Nobody does, nobody cares. I've had the anti-gunners tell friends to buy a whistle and blow it when they need assistance vs buying a gun. How many people will come running if they hear a whistle blowing. Nobody, how many people come when they hear a gun shot. Lots..... Apathy is lethal and a lot of it is going around. You did good, it's a learning experience and didn't cost you anything and is a great discussion for the forum for all of us. __________________ XD - 9 Subcompact XD - 357 Service w/ SA Custom Carry Pro Pkg SA - Mil Spec 1911 A1

05-31-2008, 12:09 AM	#38
jblakk XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 451	I think you did a good job. I think once he got to his car and started to move you should have just got the plate, and given it to the LEOs...BUT, I do understand why you initiated the chase. You saw the guy breaking into the car, and if you had gotten there a few seconds early, you might have chased him off, and saved the purse. I think you made a valient attempt to save someone some heartache, and trouble, and I do hope that Karma comes back to you someday. Glad your ok, and glad to see someone who has a selfless side to them. __________________ -Everything in Moderation - Including moderation -God didn't make all people equal...Colt did. - Hadalgo Taurus bi-tone PT-111 millenium(9mm) SA XD-9 with Trijicon SA XD-40sc Ruger Secutity-Six 4" Bicentenial model(.357)

05-31-2008, 12:34 AM	#39
ducttape2 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Seattlestan Posts: 202	I appreciate your post. It is an opportunity for this group to discuss the pro-con, legal and other aspects of the event. I am a pilot and one of the things that you will see in most Aviation magazines and books, is discussions about accidents and other "events." It is a form of training and allows everyone to learn from your VERY real experience. The best teacher is experience. As you have stated there are things that you could have done different to limit your risk and I would agree. But, as Jettuby pointed out. You actually didn't just standby and watch a crime occur. You took decisive action and that is a behavior that is generally lacking in our current society. Thanks for sharing.

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