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**eric_t12** · 05-23-2008, 06:06 PM

i am completely against this, even if its used only for govt/le sales.

i'm a firm believer that the cr@p we see today stems from lesser 'offenses' on the RKBA, ranging from various Gun Control Acts, "lauty" amendments, AWB's, etc...

like ed said -

if it can happen - it will happen. especially noting that when microstamping is mere months old (in the mainstream media) its already mandatory in CA - and working its way through NY and IL i believe...

sorry, i'd rather suffer the inconveniences of too much liberty than too little of it. and this reeks of something that could soon infringe on it.

[RFID Tracking] is a no-go at this station

kayl · 05-23-2008, 08:26 PM

The gun that had a chip in it was a H&K, I think a P2000...

As far as the Sig deal, I don't mind it as long as it's just in LE & military weapons, but the day it comes to consumer weapons is the day I don't buy another Sig. (and I like my Sigs

)

cypress · 05-23-2008, 08:53 PM

I don't like this one bit. I was thinking of a Sig for my next pistol purchase, but not with this big brother move. I don't really see any benefit for LE or Military. They already have means to track position of their own personnel. What they need is to track the enemies guns! But I do see a lot of advantage for government trying to track/confiscate their citizens guns.

**yocan** · 05-23-2008, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TacoMalo

What's that blinking blue light on your rifle??? Oh that's my bluetooth hands free weapon kit with optional OnStar... haha

I guess if they're just tracking their inventory in their own buildings that's ok, but if they try to put that crap in so that all they need to do is drive by your home and see what you've got then it's a major no no!!!

Just like that dang exxon speedpass crap, it's only a matter of time before somone figures out how to clone it by passing something near your keys.

They already have that, as well as a tool that can read credit cards from 4 feet. They can get your whole life walking past you.

If you put the chip in the right way, make it no energy reflection, you have a powerful enough transmitter and you could easily scan all guns within 200 meters. That being said, if on the website you could choose with or without chip, and its in the handgrips, I could go for that option. But then states would make it law, but make it patented to be only in the grip, it would be ok.

one-eyed-fatman · 05-23-2008, 09:19 PM

I found a bug in my corn flakes this morning but it was just an electronic cockroach. I shot the little bastard before he could arm his nukes.

cypress · 05-23-2008, 09:26 PM

The way I see it, if this is so good for military and LE to track inventory, let them put there own RFID in their weapons. Hell they probably have that already. I see no need for a manufacturer to offer this, that write up had so much spin in it, they know this is not going to be popular, so why do it? There must be more to this than they are saying I think.

Son of Norway · 05-23-2008, 10:19 PM

Is it MP3 compatible?

**rufusdog** · 05-23-2008, 10:41 PM

No sigs for me either.

waxlinks · 05-24-2008, 07:18 AM

Looks like great site for valuable information and views - few comments about SIG tag - they are not going to just appear in new guns - these are special options that cost extra money - no one is going to put in a gun free so can spy

the range is not 100 feet - it is more like 1-10 feet and this is not RFID - lots of stuff on web about Rubee -
will post more details

waxlinks

waxlinks · 05-24-2008, 07:35 AM

This is not a commercial retail product - and is certainly not for spying on gun owners -

I have seen it work and will be important to improve safety and guarantee best possible weapons for both our troops and LE. I want them to have best damn weapons they can get.

All of the other manufactures if they want any government business will have same system installed by end of year - why ? because inventory management and weapon pedigree management and most important weapon maintenance records in government is already done manually very expensive and not too good - this just makes automatic ..

DOD required all new DOD purchases to have RFID tags last year - however RFID does not work well because of steel - this is just new wireless system that does work with steel. Can also count number of shots for maintenance - its like a millage gauge on car - tells when to change the oil - The M4's going to Iraq today have few records re life or use - just a guess and hope OK -

We have been waiting for this for years - new technology is always scary but this will help our troops and LE to have the best maintained weapons possible. Same with LE -

waxlinks

05-23-2008, 06:06 PM	#41
eric_t12 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SD Posts: 3,774	i am completely against this, even if its used only for govt/le sales. i'm a firm believer that the cr@p we see today stems from lesser 'offenses' on the RKBA, ranging from various Gun Control Acts, "lauty" amendments, AWB's, etc... like ed said - if it can happen - it will happen. especially noting that when microstamping is mere months old (in the mainstream media) its already mandatory in CA - and working its way through NY and IL i believe... sorry, i'd rather suffer the inconveniences of too much liberty than too little of it. and this reeks of something that could soon infringe on it. [RFID Tracking] is a no-go at this station __________________ FBI: Gun Owners are Potential Terrorists Our Economic Future: GAO 21st Century Challenges The Police Have No Duty To Protect You VFW Life Member GOA Life Member "There are lots of problems, but if you destroy the dollar, you're going to destroy a worldwide economy, and that's what we're doing." Ron Paul - Speech on the house floor 29SEP2008 opposing the reworked economic 'rescue' plan

05-23-2008, 08:26 PM	#42
kayl XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: WI Posts: 1,252	The gun that had a chip in it was a H&K, I think a P2000... As far as the Sig deal, I don't mind it as long as it's just in LE & military weapons, but the day it comes to consumer weapons is the day I don't buy another Sig. (and I like my Sigs ) __________________ Have you talked to your XD today?

05-23-2008, 08:53 PM	#43
cypress XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 468	I don't like this one bit. I was thinking of a Sig for my next pistol purchase, but not with this big brother move. I don't really see any benefit for LE or Military. They already have means to track position of their own personnel. What they need is to track the enemies guns! But I do see a lot of advantage for government trying to track/confiscate their citizens guns. __________________ This aggression will not stand, man. Quit Smokeless Network

05-23-2008, 09:19 PM	#45
one-eyed-fatman XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 10,546	I found a bug in my corn flakes this morning but it was just an electronic cockroach. I shot the little bastard before he could arm his nukes. __________________ "I’d rather be riding my motorcycle thinking about God than sitting in church thinking about my motorcycle." http://home.houston.rr.com/gunpics/images/one%20eye.wav This link no longer works due to a corporate buyout.

05-23-2008, 09:26 PM	#46
cypress XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 468	The way I see it, if this is so good for military and LE to track inventory, let them put there own RFID in their weapons. Hell they probably have that already. I see no need for a manufacturer to offer this, that write up had so much spin in it, they know this is not going to be popular, so why do it? There must be more to this than they are saying I think. __________________ This aggression will not stand, man. Quit Smokeless Network

05-23-2008, 10:19 PM	#47
Son of Norway XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Santa Rosa CA Posts: 3,566	Is it MP3 compatible? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/sonofnorway

05-23-2008, 10:41 PM	#48
rufusdog XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 995	No sigs for me either.

05-24-2008, 07:18 AM	#49
waxlinks XDTalk Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2	Hello Looks like great site for valuable information and views - few comments about SIG tag - they are not going to just appear in new guns - these are special options that cost extra money - no one is going to put in a gun free so can spy the range is not 100 feet - it is more like 1-10 feet and this is not RFID - lots of stuff on web about Rubee - will post more details waxlinks Last edited by waxlinks; 05-24-2008 at 09:18 AM. Reason: add few details over hello

05-24-2008, 07:35 AM	#50
waxlinks XDTalk Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2	Sig RFID This is not a commercial retail product - and is certainly not for spying on gun owners - I have seen it work and will be important to improve safety and guarantee best possible weapons for both our troops and LE. I want them to have best damn weapons they can get. All of the other manufactures if they want any government business will have same system installed by end of year - why ? because inventory management and weapon pedigree management and most important weapon maintenance records in government is already done manually very expensive and not too good - this just makes automatic .. DOD required all new DOD purchases to have RFID tags last year - however RFID does not work well because of steel - this is just new wireless system that does work with steel. Can also count number of shots for maintenance - its like a millage gauge on car - tells when to change the oil - The M4's going to Iraq today have few records re life or use - just a guess and hope OK - We have been waiting for this for years - new technology is always scary but this will help our troops and LE to have the best maintained weapons possible. Same with LE - waxlinks

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