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eyesopened · 05-23-2008, 08:48 AM

Also instead of hiding in the shadows with your tool, wouldn't you rather change the social morays by OC? If more people OC, then it wouldn't be a "taboo" any longer and we wouldn't have this case.

Hell if Rosa Parks left her seat, I'd probably be walking still...

devildog12210 · 05-23-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eyesopened

Also instead of hiding in the shadows with your tool, wouldn't you rather change the social morays by OC? If more people OC, then it wouldn't be a "taboo" any longer and we wouldn't have this case.

Hell if Rosa Parks left her seat, I'd probably be walking still...

+1 I would give you a ride!

Skeptic Monkey · 05-23-2008, 09:04 AM

I probably wouldn't compare open carrying of a weapon to the granting of basic human rights to all individuals.

Rosa Parks didn't wake up that day with the express purpose of testing a very stupid law, she reacted to a situation with her conscience and character.

Hardly on a level with whether or not someone can tell the world "I have a gun." by strolling down the street with it.

Still, I understand the point you are trying to make.

G McBride · 05-23-2008, 09:14 AM

I don't understand why the guy would be tackled by the police. I would be more afraid of being shot by a nervous officer if I were open carrying.

Just because you have the right does not mean that everyone will agree that it is publicly acceptable. It does not guarantee that people will not mistake you for a criminal. The MSM has the majority believing that only bad guys and cops have guns. We might do better by writing articles for the local papers explaining the laws to the masses.

Radio Relay · 05-23-2008, 09:22 AM

Here in Colorado, the city of Denver was upset with the CCW law, and also with Colorado's preemption law that was passed at the same time. So, they challenged both in court. It went to the state's supreme court, which held that preemption applied to CCW only. In other words, municipalities can ban open carry, but cannot ban conceal carry.

So now, in Colorado, you can carry concealed anywhere in the state (except the usual places like schools, courts, etc), but have to be careful where you open carry, because you might inadvertently stop for gas in a little town that has laws against open carry and find yourself in irons.

I keep a copy of Colorado state gun laws in my truck at all times. In the off chance that I have a misunderstanding with a law officer concerning state gun laws. I also never open carry!

fastboy · 05-23-2008, 10:39 AM

Very expensive way to test the legitimacy of his right. I sympathize with the guy but don't necessarily agree with his way of going about OC'ing like that. Like many have said, OC is not the best way to self defense from both tactical standpoint and social standpoint. Granted the woman who posted her idiotic comments about her encounter with him is a dumb broad who doesn't bother to get her facts straight. Unfortunately, we have a lot of these types walking among us.

jeepinbanditrider · 05-23-2008, 10:46 AM

I hope he gets it all straightened out. As one who OCs as much as I CC I I get sick of the few times when others or even the police try to tell me that what I am doing is Illegal and I can go to jail.

Mind showing me the law?

Can you call your supervisor out here and then we can contact the magistrate.

In the few years I've been OCing I've had very few bad experiences but have had to educate more people than I can count. They always look very suprized when I tell them it's legal and explain it to them that you don't need a permit.

Skeptic Monkey · 05-23-2008, 11:03 AM

Update: The links to the girls blog within the original posted thread are now showing "no such entry". After a maelstrom of abusive comments, I suppose she had enough.

afmo · 05-23-2008, 11:15 AM

well, it pretty much seems like he's getting popped for the knives, not the gun. WTF?

I carry my Gerber every day, and sometimes when i worked at a print shop, i'd carry a folding box cutter like he had for opening boxes....is that 2 counts of concealed weapons? what bull****. I'm still going to maintain my position that OC is generally asking for trouble...but this just sounds like chicken**** police tactics.

jeepinbanditrider · 05-23-2008, 11:32 AM

We had a Marine in my shop recently get busted for concealed weapons. One was a stun gun the other was brass knuckles. He was an idiot for carrying those in the first place and on top of that he was drunk.

I thought being charged for the stun gun was BS until I looked it up in NC General Statue Chapter 14 (criminal law) and carrying a stun gun even if you have a Concealed Carry Permit is illegal.

05-23-2008, 09:22 AM	#25
Radio Relay XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 804	Here in Colorado, the city of Denver was upset with the CCW law, and also with Colorado's preemption law that was passed at the same time. So, they challenged both in court. It went to the state's supreme court, which held that preemption applied to CCW only. In other words, municipalities can ban open carry, but cannot ban conceal carry. So now, in Colorado, you can carry concealed anywhere in the state (except the usual places like schools, courts, etc), but have to be careful where you open carry, because you might inadvertently stop for gas in a little town that has laws against open carry and find yourself in irons. I keep a copy of Colorado state gun laws in my truck at all times. In the off chance that I have a misunderstanding with a law officer concerning state gun laws. I also never open carry! __________________ USMC 68-71, RVN 69-70, 2831 ALL GAVE SOME. SOME GAVE ALL. (Obama gave nothing)

05-23-2008, 10:46 AM	#27
jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mineral Wells, Tx Posts: 4,855	I hope he gets it all straightened out. As one who OCs as much as I CC I I get sick of the few times when others or even the police try to tell me that what I am doing is Illegal and I can go to jail. Mind showing me the law? Can you call your supervisor out here and then we can contact the magistrate. In the few years I've been OCing I've had very few bad experiences but have had to educate more people than I can count. They always look very suprized when I tell them it's legal and explain it to them that you don't need a permit. __________________ Stuff USPSA-A59201

05-23-2008, 11:15 AM	#29
afmo XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,726	well, it pretty much seems like he's getting popped for the knives, not the gun. WTF? I carry my Gerber every day, and sometimes when i worked at a print shop, i'd carry a folding box cutter like he had for opening boxes....is that 2 counts of concealed weapons? what bull**. I'm still going to maintain my position that OC is generally asking for trouble...but this just sounds like chicken police tactics. __________________ I survived 8 years of vitriolic hate directed towards George W. Bush. The shoe is on the other foot now: Barack Obama is NOT MY PRESIDENT.** Ruger 22/45 MKIII Springfield XD-9 Service Stevens Model 67 Series E 12g 1948 M44 Mosin-Nagant

05-23-2008, 11:32 AM	#30
jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mineral Wells, Tx Posts: 4,855	We had a Marine in my shop recently get busted for concealed weapons. One was a stun gun the other was brass knuckles. He was an idiot for carrying those in the first place and on top of that he was drunk. I thought being charged for the stun gun was BS until I looked it up in NC General Statue Chapter 14 (criminal law) and carrying a stun gun even if you have a Concealed Carry Permit is illegal. __________________ Stuff USPSA-A59201

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05-23-2008, 08:48 AM	#21
eyesopened XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 500	Also instead of hiding in the shadows with your tool, wouldn't you rather change the social morays by OC? If more people OC, then it wouldn't be a "taboo" any longer and we wouldn't have this case. Hell if Rosa Parks left her seat, I'd probably be walking still...

05-23-2008, 09:04 AM	#23
Skeptic Monkey XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Gulf Coast FL Posts: 62	I probably wouldn't compare open carrying of a weapon to the granting of basic human rights to all individuals. Rosa Parks didn't wake up that day with the express purpose of testing a very stupid law, she reacted to a situation with her conscience and character. Hardly on a level with whether or not someone can tell the world "I have a gun." by strolling down the street with it. Still, I understand the point you are trying to make.

05-23-2008, 09:14 AM	#24
G McBride XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Centerville, Indiana Posts: 691	I don't understand why the guy would be tackled by the police. I would be more afraid of being shot by a nervous officer if I were open carrying. Just because you have the right does not mean that everyone will agree that it is publicly acceptable. It does not guarantee that people will not mistake you for a criminal. The MSM has the majority believing that only bad guys and cops have guns. We might do better by writing articles for the local papers explaining the laws to the masses.

05-23-2008, 10:39 AM	#26
fastboy XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MI Posts: 1,409	Very expensive way to test the legitimacy of his right. I sympathize with the guy but don't necessarily agree with his way of going about OC'ing like that. Like many have said, OC is not the best way to self defense from both tactical standpoint and social standpoint. Granted the woman who posted her idiotic comments about her encounter with him is a dumb broad who doesn't bother to get her facts straight. Unfortunately, we have a lot of these types walking among us.

05-23-2008, 11:03 AM	#28
Skeptic Monkey XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Gulf Coast FL Posts: 62	Update: The links to the girls blog within the original posted thread are now showing "no such entry". After a maelstrom of abusive comments, I suppose she had enough.