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robinsre · 05-10-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by daveofspades

" The line HAS to be drawn somewhere. "

Why? Why should the government arbitrarily draw a line for every one? Shouldn't it be up to the people involved (Parents, etc)?

Largely it is. If parents don't want to bring up an issue of statutory rape, if it occurs at a parent's house and they say nothing, and the child says nothing then there is no issue. The government draws a line in the sand for the same reason they ALWAYS draw a line in the sand. Because failure to do so results in a breakdown of the justice system and the inability to judge ANY action because of the "extenuating circumstances". Think of how we would feel if self defense laws were as arbitrary (as they often (incorrectly IMHO) are. If a man were attacking you or your daughter on the street but had "extenuating circumstances" and the arbitrary line worked against you...you went to prison for killing him in lawful self defense.

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"Do you think a 14 year old is qualified to decide whether or not they should be having sex?"

Are they more qualified if the boy is 15? Are they less qualified if the guy is 25? One of these examples will go to jail, the other will not. If one is wrong, then BOTH are.

No they are no less qualified. Thats why in the situation above the punishment for both adolescents would be relegated to the legal guardians of each party.

If either the male or the female are beyond the boundaries of parental authority they are considered to be at an age where their own sense should preclude them from engaging in sexual relations with someone below the age of consent.

You show me a 25 year old male with a 17 year old girlfriend or vice versa and I'll show you someone who is too irresponsible to accept the liberties associated with being a 25 year old male in a free society.

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The whole thing springs from the idea that women aren't really sexual creatures and need to be convinced or tricked into having sex while guys know what they want. I think it's a false dichotomy.

DD

Preposterous, and an incorrect assumption. The case in question was an adult woman who was imprisoned for having sex with an underage male.

gsx1138 · 05-10-2008, 07:47 PM

Sooo, it's not one of the perks of the job? Man, I am so changing my major.

**jmichna** · 05-10-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by daveofspades

"imagine that was your 15 year old daughter on her knees pleasing a guy, because she was "mature enough to consent." Still feel the same?"

Yes.

To my point, how many children do you have? What are their ages and sex?

gsx1138 · 05-10-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by daveofspades

"imagine that was your 15 year old daughter on her knees pleasing a guy, because she was "mature enough to consent." Still feel the same?"

Yes.

I believe there is a difference between what is morally acceptable and what is/should be legally enforced. Sex, unless via rape, should NOT be in the purview of the government. Ever.

If your daughter bangs a 30 year old when she's under age two things are certain. 1: She has real daddy issues that stem from 2 your complete failure to be a father to her. Why should someone else go to jail for your failures?

"15 and 17 yo caught having sex in public, 15 yo charged w/ misdemeanor of lewd behavior and 17 yo charged w/ felony of sex w/ minor under 16 yo and lewd behavior.......this is my thought both should be charged w/ felonies"

Felonies? Do you know what felonies do to you? At least since they're underage the records would be sealed at age 18 so it MIGHT not destroy the rest of their lives.

Again, why should there be LEGAL consequences here? There was a time when just the moral outrage of the community was enough punishment, now we want every one thrown in jail for things government should never be involved in.

I have never met a promiscuous girl who did not have a louse for a dad. Never. In fact, nearly every sexually active (not promiscuous, just active) girl I've known had a father who was at least distant or absent a lot.

Gentlemen, accept it. The man you ARE will directly impact nearly every aspect of your daughter's life. It will certainly effect her choice in men and what she will do to get their attention. Why should we abdicate yet another area of raising our children to the gubment?

DD

Totally agree. And yes, I have two daughters. If one of them is on her knees at 15 pleasing some 30 year old you can bet that it was her idea. I'm not going to raise my kids with some psuedo biblical stigma concerning sex. They should however be able to make educated decisions. Also, as much as we hate to admit it our age limits on everything are arbitrary made up numbers.

petey1 · 05-10-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by yocan

My reason for the question is that high school teachers have the highest divorce rate in the US of any group

Care to back this up? I'm just curious where you got this information.

afmo · 05-10-2008, 09:37 PM

time for people to realize that were hard wired for sex...its what we do. we eat/breath/sleep/procreate. thats our basic function. Just because we also do so for pleasure doesn't change anything.

two kids doing what teenagers do (i imagine very few people here were virgins past their teens) shouldn't have their lives ruined because one is over 18 one is under. Likewise, if a kid 16/17ish wants to do the hoo-hoo with his/her teacher...whatever...thats for the individual to decide. However, schools are employers and should be allowed to regulate their employees as they see fit. I don't think we should be sending the message that teachers its ok for teachers to diddle the students, since there is risk that they are exploiting their position of power.

gsx1138 · 05-10-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by afmo

time for people to realize that were hard wired for sex...its what we do. we eat/breath/sleep/procreate. thats our basic function. Just because we also do so for pleasure doesn't change anything.

two kids doing what teenagers do (i imagine very few people here were virgins past their teens) shouldn't have their lives ruined because one is over 18 one is under. Likewise, if a kid 16/17ish wants to do the hoo-hoo with his/her teacher...whatever...thats for the individual to decide. However, schools are employers and should be allowed to regulate their employees as they see fit. I don't think we should be sending the message that teachers its ok for teachers to diddle the students, since there is risk that they are exploiting their position of power.

Well said.

Snoop · 05-10-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tripledigitride

I keepin this one!!!!!!!!

EV1L · 05-11-2008, 06:11 AM

IMO, other than it is very wrong and irresponsible on her part to take advantage of her student. A 14, 15 or 16 years old who is able to engage in a sexual intercourse, is an adult and not a child.

This same 15 years old if killed someone, would be tried as an adult and may be jailed with adults.

Unfortunately, that's the double standards of the law.

yocan · 05-11-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by EV1L

IMO, other than it is very wrong and irresponsible on her part to take advantage of her student. A 14, 15 or 16 years old who is able to engage in a sexual intercourse, is an adult and not a child.

This same 15 years old if killed someone, would be tried as an adult and may be jailed with adults.

Unfortunately, that's the double standards of the law.

Aren't they held in a seperate facility until they turn 18?

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afmo XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,558	time for people to realize that were hard wired for sex...its what we do. we eat/breath/sleep/procreate. thats our basic function. Just because we also do so for pleasure doesn't change anything. two kids doing what teenagers do (i imagine very few people here were virgins past their teens) shouldn't have their lives ruined because one is over 18 one is under. Likewise, if a kid 16/17ish wants to do the hoo-hoo with his/her teacher...whatever...thats for the individual to decide. However, schools are employers and should be allowed to regulate their employees as they see fit. I don't think we should be sending the message that teachers its ok for teachers to diddle the students, since there is risk that they are exploiting their position of power. __________________ Be not intimidated... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice. - John Adams, 2nd President of the United States Ruger 22/45 MKIII Springfield XD-9 Service Stevens Model 67 Series E 12g 1948 M44 Mosin-Nagant

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05-11-2008, 06:11 AM	#29
EV1L XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: FL Posts: 148	IMO, other than it is very wrong and irresponsible on her part to take advantage of her student. A 14, 15 or 16 years old who is able to engage in a sexual intercourse, is an adult and not a child. This same 15 years old if killed someone, would be tried as an adult and may be jailed with adults. Unfortunately, that's the double standards of the law.