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daveofspades · 05-10-2008, 08:20 AM

" The line HAS to be drawn somewhere. "

Why? Why should the government arbitrarily draw a line for every one? Shouldn't it be up to the people involved (Parents, etc)? This is a matter of morality and not public safety. If the government is allowed to decide this for you and your kids, why are you offended by the idea of them drawing other lines "for the good of the kids"? After all, very few people have died of premarital sex but lots of kids have died from gun shot wounds (either intentional or accidental). There fore, we can put you in jail or take your kids away because you insist on owning guns.

"Do you think a 14 year old is qualified to decide whether or not they should be having sex?"

Are they more qualified if the boy is 15? Are they less qualified if the guy is 25? One of these examples will go to jail, the other will not. If one is wrong, then BOTH are.

The whole thing springs from the idea that women aren't really sexual creatures and need to be convinced or tricked into having sex while guys know what they want. I think it's a false dichotomy.

DD

I_Route · 05-10-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tripledigitride

Talk about HOT teachers--Here's one that got busted for having sex with a male student, just a few miles from where I live. There's even video (NOT FOR CHILDREN) she sent to the student. It can be found at pamelarogers.org

**DanTheEldest** · 05-10-2008, 04:48 PM

Our society embraces the rule of law, and as such, we have determined some age limitations for certain activities which are by their nature arbitrary to a certain degree. They assume, and rightly so, I think, that a "normal" 30-year-old is more emotionally mature and in greater control of their natural impulses than a 16-year-old racked by the wild winds of hormones and puberty. We therefore expect these older people in positions of authority (like teachers, pastors, priests, counselors, etc) to exercise greater restraint where a younger person with cloudier judgment might not. Like it or not, these are the laws on the books.

The fact that these teachers (of either sex, I might add) who then go ahead and engage in sexual relations with underage students despite the fact that they know it's illegal are not only breaking the law, but also breaching the trust imparted to them both by the parents who send their children to their classrooms each day, and by the students themselves who, as we can all acknowledge, I think, are not in the state of mind to give strong resistance to the prospect of a young (but older and mysterious) hottie who wants to get it on. There are cultures around the world who marry young people off and bring them into sexual adulthood as soon as they hit puberty, but the U.S. is not one of them.

If you want to change the age of consent, then by all means start a campaign to do so, but until that happens expect the legal consequences if you engage in this type of behavior.

Popa75 · 05-10-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTheEldest

Our society embraces the rule of law, and as such, we have determined some age limitations for certain activities which are by their nature arbitrary to a certain degree. They assume, and rightly so, I think, that a "normal" 30-year-old is more emotionally mature and in greater control of their natural impulses than a 16-year-old racked by the wild winds of hormones and puberty. We therefore expect these older people in positions of authority (like teachers, pastors, priests, counselors, etc) to exercise greater restraint where a younger person with cloudier judgment might not. Like it or not, these are the laws on the books.

The fact that these teachers (of either sex, I might add) who then go ahead and engage in sexual relations with underage students despite the fact that they know it's illegal are not only breaking the law, but also breaching the trust imparted to them both by the parents who send their children to their classrooms each day, and by the students themselves who, as we can all acknowledge, I think, are not in the state of mind to give strong resistance to the prospect of a young (but older and mysterious) hottie who wants to get it on. There are cultures around the world who marry young people off and bring them into sexual adulthood as soon as they hit puberty, but the U.S. is not one of them.

If you want to change the age of consent, then by all means start a campaign to do so, but until that happens expect the legal consequences if you engage in this type of behavior.

+1 well said, but that does not change the fact that I dident have any teachers that hot, if I did I would have been in class more

.

Tripledigitride · 05-10-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Popa75

I dident have any teachers that hot, if I did I would have been in class more

.

OH, I did! Wheaton North High School, English teacher...Miss Heck. She was my future wife. Well, until she went off and got married. Mr. Martinez...I still hate you!

**jmichna** · 05-10-2008, 05:46 PM

I knew, and was friends with, a lot of guys when I was a young man who 1) couldn't see what why the penalties for rape were so draconian, and 2) couldn't see what was so terrible about having sex with 14, 15 and 16 year old girls, provided they were "mature."

To a man, ALL these guys changed their tune to both items when 1) they had their first serious relationship, and 2) had their own daughters.

Re sex with a minor, imagine that was your 15 year old daughter on her knees pleasing a guy, because she was "mature enough to consent." Still feel the same?

RAVXD · 05-10-2008, 06:28 PM

tell me what you think about this situation......15 and 17 yo caught having sex in public, 15 yo charged w/ misdemeanor of lewd behavior and 17 yo charged w/ felony of sex w/ minor under 16 yo and lewd behavior.......

this is my thought both should be charged w/ felonies......and parents you will never be w/ your child all the time nor will you know what they are doing at all times the best you can do is try to instill the best values in your children as you possibly can and pray that they hold on to those values.......as for students and teachers i agree w/ dan........

than the other problem is government. how can you teach sex ed and give students condoms and then tell them to wait till there 18 ? what ever happened to instilling values such as abstinence and purity till marriage ?

daveofspades · 05-10-2008, 06:45 PM

"imagine that was your 15 year old daughter on her knees pleasing a guy, because she was "mature enough to consent." Still feel the same?"

Yes.

I believe there is a difference between what is morally acceptable and what is/should be legally enforced. Sex, unless via rape, should NOT be in the purview of the government. Ever.

If your daughter bangs a 30 year old when she's under age two things are certain. 1: She has real daddy issues that stem from 2 your complete failure to be a father to her. Why should someone else go to jail for your failures?

"15 and 17 yo caught having sex in public, 15 yo charged w/ misdemeanor of lewd behavior and 17 yo charged w/ felony of sex w/ minor under 16 yo and lewd behavior.......this is my thought both should be charged w/ felonies"

Felonies? Do you know what felonies do to you? At least since they're underage the records would be sealed at age 18 so it MIGHT not destroy the rest of their lives.

Again, why should there be LEGAL consequences here? There was a time when just the moral outrage of the community was enough punishment, now we want every one thrown in jail for things government should never be involved in.

I have never met a promiscuous girl who did not have a louse for a dad. Never. In fact, nearly every sexually active (not promiscuous, just active) girl I've known had a father who was at least distant or absent a lot.

Gentlemen, accept it. The man you ARE will directly impact nearly every aspect of your daughter's life. It will certainly effect her choice in men and what she will do to get their attention. Why should we abdicate yet another area of raising our children to the gubment?

DD

RAVXD · 05-10-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by daveofspades

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"15 and 17 yo caught having sex in public, 15 yo charged w/ misdemeanor of lewd behavior and 17 yo charged w/ felony of sex w/ minor under 16 yo and lewd behavior.......this is my thought both should be charged w/ felonies"

Felonies? Do you know what felonies do to you? At least since they're underage the records would be sealed at age 18 so it MIGHT not destroy the rest of their lives.

Again, why should there be LEGAL consequences here? There was a time when just the moral outrage of the community was enough punishment, now we want every one thrown in jail for things government should never be involved in.

my point was why should the children be given different charges since they both consented together.....as for the community, community no longer holds values to heart as they use to, government does have a place in society especially things of this nature.......i do agree with you to a degree yet remember this is societies fault.......

Puppy · 05-10-2008, 07:18 PM

Jcabin is a bit of an anachronism. A throw back to the hippy generation of the 60's. The me, me, me; if it feels good do it generation of irresponsibility. It's all about me and what I want generation.

Screw right and wrong! Screw morality! No one counts except me.

Morals and ethics are fluid. There is no center, there is no right or wrong there is just ME, ME, ME!

05-10-2008, 08:20 AM	#11
daveofspades XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 450	" The line HAS to be drawn somewhere. " Why? Why should the government arbitrarily draw a line for every one? Shouldn't it be up to the people involved (Parents, etc)? This is a matter of morality and not public safety. If the government is allowed to decide this for you and your kids, why are you offended by the idea of them drawing other lines "for the good of the kids"? After all, very few people have died of premarital sex but lots of kids have died from gun shot wounds (either intentional or accidental). There fore, we can put you in jail or take your kids away because you insist on owning guns. "Do you think a 14 year old is qualified to decide whether or not they should be having sex?" Are they more qualified if the boy is 15? Are they less qualified if the guy is 25? One of these examples will go to jail, the other will not. If one is wrong, then BOTH are. The whole thing springs from the idea that women aren't really sexual creatures and need to be convinced or tricked into having sex while guys know what they want. I think it's a false dichotomy. DD __________________ "The military is for fighting the enemies of the state. The police are there to defend and protect the people. When the military becomes the police, the enemies of the state become the people." - Commander Adama, The New Battlestar Galactica

05-10-2008, 04:48 PM	#13
DanTheEldest XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,100	Our society embraces the rule of law, and as such, we have determined some age limitations for certain activities which are by their nature arbitrary to a certain degree. They assume, and rightly so, I think, that a "normal" 30-year-old is more emotionally mature and in greater control of their natural impulses than a 16-year-old racked by the wild winds of hormones and puberty. We therefore expect these older people in positions of authority (like teachers, pastors, priests, counselors, etc) to exercise greater restraint where a younger person with cloudier judgment might not. Like it or not, these are the laws on the books. The fact that these teachers (of either sex, I might add) who then go ahead and engage in sexual relations with underage students despite the fact that they know it's illegal are not only breaking the law, but also breaching the trust imparted to them both by the parents who send their children to their classrooms each day, and by the students themselves who, as we can all acknowledge, I think, are not in the state of mind to give strong resistance to the prospect of a young (but older and mysterious) hottie who wants to get it on. There are cultures around the world who marry young people off and bring them into sexual adulthood as soon as they hit puberty, but the U.S. is not one of them. If you want to change the age of consent, then by all means start a campaign to do so, but until that happens expect the legal consequences if you engage in this type of behavior. __________________ The AK-47: Designed to be field-stripped and used effectively by a half-drunk, half-frozen illiterate conscript who found it buried in Mother Russia's mud after last year's Regiment exercises. SOP: retrieve from ground, pee in action, cycle bolt, go back to work. I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. --Martin Luther Last edited by DanTheEldest : 05-10-2008 at 05:01 PM.

05-10-2008, 05:46 PM	#16
jmichna XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NE Illinois Posts: 1,095	I knew, and was friends with, a lot of guys when I was a young man who 1) couldn't see what why the penalties for rape were so draconian, and 2) couldn't see what was so terrible about having sex with 14, 15 and 16 year old girls, provided they were "mature." To a man, ALL these guys changed their tune to both items when 1) they had their first serious relationship, and 2) had their own daughters. Re sex with a minor, imagine that was your 15 year old daughter on her knees pleasing a guy, because she was "mature enough to consent." Still feel the same? __________________ There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance— that principle is contempt prior to investigation. - Herbert Spencer ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Choose your words, for they become actions. Understand actions, for they become habits. Study your habits, for they become character. Develop your character, for it becomes your destiny.

05-10-2008, 06:28 PM	#17
RAVXD XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: usa Posts: 245	tell me what you think about this situation......15 and 17 yo caught having sex in public, 15 yo charged w/ misdemeanor of lewd behavior and 17 yo charged w/ felony of sex w/ minor under 16 yo and lewd behavior....... this is my thought both should be charged w/ felonies......and parents you will never be w/ your child all the time nor will you know what they are doing at all times the best you can do is try to instill the best values in your children as you possibly can and pray that they hold on to those values.......as for students and teachers i agree w/ dan........ than the other problem is government. how can you teach sex ed and give students condoms and then tell them to wait till there 18 ? what ever happened to instilling values such as abstinence and purity till marriage ? __________________

05-10-2008, 06:45 PM	#18
daveofspades XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 450	"imagine that was your 15 year old daughter on her knees pleasing a guy, because she was "mature enough to consent." Still feel the same?" Yes. I believe there is a difference between what is morally acceptable and what is/should be legally enforced. Sex, unless via rape, should NOT be in the purview of the government. Ever. If your daughter bangs a 30 year old when she's under age two things are certain. 1: She has real daddy issues that stem from 2 your complete failure to be a father to her. Why should someone else go to jail for your failures? "15 and 17 yo caught having sex in public, 15 yo charged w/ misdemeanor of lewd behavior and 17 yo charged w/ felony of sex w/ minor under 16 yo and lewd behavior.......this is my thought both should be charged w/ felonies" Felonies? Do you know what felonies do to you? At least since they're underage the records would be sealed at age 18 so it MIGHT not destroy the rest of their lives. Again, why should there be LEGAL consequences here? There was a time when just the moral outrage of the community was enough punishment, now we want every one thrown in jail for things government should never be involved in. I have never met a promiscuous girl who did not have a louse for a dad. Never. In fact, nearly every sexually active (not promiscuous, just active) girl I've known had a father who was at least distant or absent a lot. Gentlemen, accept it. The man you ARE will directly impact nearly every aspect of your daughter's life. It will certainly effect her choice in men and what she will do to get their attention. Why should we abdicate yet another area of raising our children to the gubment? DD __________________ "The military is for fighting the enemies of the state. The police are there to defend and protect the people. When the military becomes the police, the enemies of the state become the people." - Commander Adama, The New Battlestar Galactica

05-10-2008, 07:18 PM	#20
Puppy XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 289	Jcabin is a bit of an anachronism. A throw back to the hippy generation of the 60's. The me, me, me; if it feels good do it generation of irresponsibility. It's all about me and what I want generation. Screw right and wrong! Screw morality! No one counts except me. Morals and ethics are fluid. There is no center, there is no right or wrong there is just ME, ME, ME!

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