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RTM2031 · 04-19-2008, 01:14 PM

Bloody Start To Weekend: More Than 20 Shot

But Police Point Out Shootings, Murders Down So Far In 2008

CHICAGO (CBS) ― It was a violent night all across the city, with more than 20 people shot on the streets from Friday afternoon through early Saturday.

The shootings have sent more than a dozen to area hospitals and four to the county morgue. Nine of the shootings happened in a period of less than two hours on Friday night.

The most serious shooting happened when the night was still fairly young, at 9:30 p.m. Two teens were shot dead in the 7500 block of South Phillips Avenue in the South Shore neighborhood, Fire Media Affairs Director Larry Langford said.

Police say gunmen jumped out of a car and opened fire in front of the Free Salvation Methodist Baptist Church. One of the teens suffered a gunshot wound to the chest and back, the other was shot in the neck, police said.

Melvin Thomas, of 14922 Washington Ave. in Harvey was pronounced dead at the Stein Institute at 1:20 a.m. Rhonell Savala, of 9750 S. Hoxie Ave. in Chicago, was pronounced dead at 12:50 a.m. Saturday at the Stein Institute. Both were 18.

Earlier in the evening, a 34-year-old south suburban man died after being shot just blocks from a police-involved shooting on the Far South Side.

The man was shot in the 11300 block of South Emerald Avenue before 7 p.m., according to police News Affairs Officer John Mirabelli. As responding officers investigated the shooting, shots were fired at Chicago Police in the 11000 block of South Union Avenue, Mirabelli said. No officers were injured.

Marcus Hendricks, of Flossmoor, died at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn at 8 p.m., a Cook County Medical Examiner's office spokesman said.

Officers recovered an AK-47 assault rifle from the Union Avenue address, Mirabelli said.

Police did fire shots, but did not hit anyone, according to Independent Police Review Authority spokesman Mark Payne. The IPRA is investigating the incident.

In a third incident, a 65-year-old man was shot dead outside his home on the Southeast Side during an attempted robbery.

Ricardo Sanchez of 8439 S. Exchange Ave. was pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, according to the Medical Examiner's office.

In most of the other shootings, the injuries were less serious, but the violence affected nearly every part of the city.

In the Southeast Side's South Chicago neighborhood, two men suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds after hearing shots fired.

About 8:15 p.m., the two men, aged 25 and 24, were driving south on the 8200 block of South Muskegon Avenue, when they heard shots fired, police said. The men realized they had been hit, and drove themselves to Jackson Park Hospital, police News Affairs Officer David Banks said. Their injuries are not considered to be life-threatening.

At 9:30 p.m., three teens were shot near 70th and Wood streets in the West Englewood neighborhood. A 17-year-old was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in critical condition from the Wood Street shooting, Langford said. A 16-year-old and 15-year-old in an unknown condition were also taken to either Christ or Holy Cross Hospital.

At 9:39 p.m., a 32-year-old man was shot in the 6400 block of South Morgan Street in the Englewood neighborhood, Langford said. The man was shot in the leg and hospital information was not immediately available.

At 9:42 p.m., a person was shot in the knee in the 11200 block of South State Street in the Roseland neighborhood, Langford said. The person was taken to Roseland Community Hospital in an unknown condition.

Shortly before midnight, two teenage boys were shot, again in the West Englewood neighborhood.

The boys, one 16-year-old and one 15-year-old, were shot in their legs at 6330 S. Damen Ave around 11:45 p.m.., Langford said. Both teens were taken to Holy Cross Hospital with non life-threatening injuries, Langford said.

And about 1:30 a.m., a robbery victim was shot on the 7900 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue. The robber demanded money from the victim, police said. The victim ran away, but not before the robber got off one shot.

But the South Side was not the only area affected by the rash of violence overnight. Shootings were also reported on the North and West sides.

In the 1000 block of West Sunnyside Avenue in the Uptown neighborhood, a man was shot in his upper thigh around 11:35 p.m., a Town Hall District officer said. The officer said the victim was not cooperating with police, and there were several conflicting stories about the shooting.

On the Southwest Side, a man riding in a car in the 5100 block of South Christiana Avenue was wounded when someone fired shots inside around 10:45 p.m. The man, believed to be in his 30s, was shot in his left arm and taken in good condition to Holy Cross Hospital, Banks said.

On the West Side, a man was shot multiple times and critically wounded in the wee hours of the morning. The man was shot in the 700 block of North Drake Avenue just after 1:45 a.m., and taken in critical condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, Banks said.

Also on the West Side, 21-year-old man was in good condition early Saturday after he was shot in the right leg on the 4400 block of West Adams Street. The man was standing there abut 2:35 a.m. when someone in a passing car fired shots at him, police said.

Police had not reported anyone in custody in any of the shootings as of midday Saturday.

The rash of violence went back to daylight hours Friday. In broad daylight Friday, two teenage girls were shot in the thigh in separate incidents on the Southeast and Southwest sides.

In the first incident, a girl was shot and wounded in the arm in the 2700 block of West 66th Street. A Chicago Lawn District sergeant indicated that another person was also shot in the incident.

In the second incident, a 15-year-old girl was shot in the thigh in the 8700 block of South Euclid Avenue.

Just two blocks from the scene of the first shooting where a girl was wounded, a man was shot at 5:40 p.m., police said. He was wounded in the 2700 block of West 64th Street and taken to Holy Cross Hospital in an unknown condition.

And around 6:30 p.m., a teenage boy was shot in the 6000 block of South Campbell Avenue. He was taken to the University of Chicago's Comer Children's Hospital in serious condition, police said.

The violence also did not come to end when the sun came up on Saturday. A 28-year-old man was reported in "stable condition" after being shot in the 2500 block of West 59th Street about 11:20 a.m. Police said the shooting appeared to be gang-related.

Police: Shootings Down In 2008
Only hours before the rash of shootings happened, police touted that murders and shootings were down through the first three months of 2008.

From January through March, murders decreased 1.1 percent and aggravated batteries decreased 0.8 percent, according to a release Friday from police. Criminal sexual assaults were down 13.9 percent, the release said. Robberies were up 16.3 percent in that time period. Overall crime was up 1.9 percent, though. The Harrison District on the West Side had the largest decrease compared to the same period last year, the release said, with an overall reduction in crime of 16.1 percent.

Since the beginning of the year through March, 70 percent of the murder victims had prior arrest records and 97 percent of the offenders had prior arrest records, according to police. Approximately 81 percent of the murders involved firearms, with the most common motive being something gang-related. Almost 30 percent of the murders were gang-related, the release said.

That was the first quarter of 2008. The next three months may be different if this past week is any indication.

From Monday, April 14 through early Saturday, there had been at least 35 shootings in the city, and at least six of those shootings turned out to be fatal

Terry · 04-19-2008, 01:31 PM

How many of them where legal card holding citizens? None i bet. Gun control would not have made any difference. ! 15 and 16 year olds involved with shootings!___________________________ you fill in the blank.

jcabin · 04-19-2008, 02:17 PM

When the economy goes down the sh!tter, i'll be glad i'm going into law enforcement, the field is really opening up. They teach us in every CJ class(at college) that crime has gone down since the early 1990's significantly, which the statistics prove to be true. However when the economy starts to buckle and the middle class americans are really in the hole with no jobs/income we're going to see a huge spike in crime.. it won't just be gang/drug related crime anymore. People just need to remember to do the right thing..

setabkcin · 04-19-2008, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry

How many of them where legal card holding citizens? None i bet. Gun control would not have made any difference. ! 15 and 16 year olds involved with shootings!___________________________ you fill in the blank.

This is what bothers me about gun control. How many gun crimes are committed by CCW holders? And yet they want to take them away. Somehow I don't see this helping the world. It's only hurting it. Maybe crime would go down if every citizen was issued a gun and trained to use it. Look how little crime there is in countries that allow everyone to carry.

**Grip** · 04-19-2008, 02:31 PM

illinois sucks, we all know it...nothing is going to change about illinois gun laws.

XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact · 04-19-2008, 02:51 PM

It's to bad Chicago is so anti-gun. It's a really fun city, I almost decided on going to Wheaton, that was before I was well informed on thier anti-gun stance. Now I would never live there and am still debating on ever visting again since they deny me my right to carry.

**jmichna** · 04-19-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact

It's to bad Chicago is so anti-gun. It's a really fun city, I almost decided on going to Wheaton, that was before I was well informed on thier anti-gun stance. Now I would never live there and am still debating on ever visting again since they deny me my right to carry.

Is Wheaton anti-gun? That's a surprise... I always assumed Wheaton (far outside of Cook County) was very conservative.

I live in Skokie (Cook County), surrounded by Chicago, Evanston, Morton Grove and Lincolnwood. In addition to Skokie, only Lincolnwood allows ownership of handguns. My favorite gun shop is in Lincolnwood. Handguns are illegal to possess in Chicago, Evanston, Morton Grove, and several suburbs to the immediate north. Evanston goes so far as to prohibit all but certain hunting weapons... but Evanston is among the most blue-state/liberal of the area suburbs.

When certain segments in Skokie tried to bring up gun control, more than 15 years ago, there were literally hundreds of Skokie gun owners who united, appeared at hearings and stood firmly against the efforts.

Bottom line, there are gun-friendly (or at least gun-neutral) places to live in our neck of the woods. Plus, now that cougars are running wild in Chicago, maybe the locals will need to re-arm themselves!

Bree · 04-19-2008, 07:27 PM

State of Illinois strips citizens of their right to self defense against deadly threats by not permitting CCW. As far as I am concerned the State assumes full responsibility for protection of its citizens since we can't defend ourselves. In this respect, the State and its Mini-Me's... Chicago and Cook County... have failed miserably. The blood is on their hands.

XDConvert9mm · 04-19-2008, 07:44 PM

I grew up in Park Ridge. While it was a great place when I was a kid (60s-early 80s), I'm happy I got out 20+ years ago. After living in the South and experiencing different attitudes around the country while traveling for business I have a hard time with the mindset in Chicago and Cook County. At the time it was all I knew.

UncleBuck · 04-19-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grip

illinois sucks, we all know it...nothing is going to change about illinois gun laws.

Ain't Chicago one of them there liberal joints that the great Messiah has been working on?

04-19-2008, 01:14 PM	#1
RTM2031 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 211	Gun Control is Working Great in Chicago and Cook County Bloody Start To Weekend: More Than 20 Shot But Police Point Out Shootings, Murders Down So Far In 2008 CHICAGO (CBS) ― It was a violent night all across the city, with more than 20 people shot on the streets from Friday afternoon through early Saturday. The shootings have sent more than a dozen to area hospitals and four to the county morgue. Nine of the shootings happened in a period of less than two hours on Friday night. The most serious shooting happened when the night was still fairly young, at 9:30 p.m. Two teens were shot dead in the 7500 block of South Phillips Avenue in the South Shore neighborhood, Fire Media Affairs Director Larry Langford said. Police say gunmen jumped out of a car and opened fire in front of the Free Salvation Methodist Baptist Church. One of the teens suffered a gunshot wound to the chest and back, the other was shot in the neck, police said. Melvin Thomas, of 14922 Washington Ave. in Harvey was pronounced dead at the Stein Institute at 1:20 a.m. Rhonell Savala, of 9750 S. Hoxie Ave. in Chicago, was pronounced dead at 12:50 a.m. Saturday at the Stein Institute. Both were 18. Earlier in the evening, a 34-year-old south suburban man died after being shot just blocks from a police-involved shooting on the Far South Side. The man was shot in the 11300 block of South Emerald Avenue before 7 p.m., according to police News Affairs Officer John Mirabelli. As responding officers investigated the shooting, shots were fired at Chicago Police in the 11000 block of South Union Avenue, Mirabelli said. No officers were injured. Marcus Hendricks, of Flossmoor, died at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn at 8 p.m., a Cook County Medical Examiner's office spokesman said. Officers recovered an AK-47 assault rifle from the Union Avenue address, Mirabelli said. Police did fire shots, but did not hit anyone, according to Independent Police Review Authority spokesman Mark Payne. The IPRA is investigating the incident. In a third incident, a 65-year-old man was shot dead outside his home on the Southeast Side during an attempted robbery. Ricardo Sanchez of 8439 S. Exchange Ave. was pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, according to the Medical Examiner's office. In most of the other shootings, the injuries were less serious, but the violence affected nearly every part of the city. In the Southeast Side's South Chicago neighborhood, two men suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds after hearing shots fired. About 8:15 p.m., the two men, aged 25 and 24, were driving south on the 8200 block of South Muskegon Avenue, when they heard shots fired, police said. The men realized they had been hit, and drove themselves to Jackson Park Hospital, police News Affairs Officer David Banks said. Their injuries are not considered to be life-threatening. At 9:30 p.m., three teens were shot near 70th and Wood streets in the West Englewood neighborhood. A 17-year-old was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in critical condition from the Wood Street shooting, Langford said. A 16-year-old and 15-year-old in an unknown condition were also taken to either Christ or Holy Cross Hospital. At 9:39 p.m., a 32-year-old man was shot in the 6400 block of South Morgan Street in the Englewood neighborhood, Langford said. The man was shot in the leg and hospital information was not immediately available. At 9:42 p.m., a person was shot in the knee in the 11200 block of South State Street in the Roseland neighborhood, Langford said. The person was taken to Roseland Community Hospital in an unknown condition. Shortly before midnight, two teenage boys were shot, again in the West Englewood neighborhood. The boys, one 16-year-old and one 15-year-old, were shot in their legs at 6330 S. Damen Ave around 11:45 p.m.., Langford said. Both teens were taken to Holy Cross Hospital with non life-threatening injuries, Langford said. And about 1:30 a.m., a robbery victim was shot on the 7900 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue. The robber demanded money from the victim, police said. The victim ran away, but not before the robber got off one shot. But the South Side was not the only area affected by the rash of violence overnight. Shootings were also reported on the North and West sides. In the 1000 block of West Sunnyside Avenue in the Uptown neighborhood, a man was shot in his upper thigh around 11:35 p.m., a Town Hall District officer said. The officer said the victim was not cooperating with police, and there were several conflicting stories about the shooting. On the Southwest Side, a man riding in a car in the 5100 block of South Christiana Avenue was wounded when someone fired shots inside around 10:45 p.m. The man, believed to be in his 30s, was shot in his left arm and taken in good condition to Holy Cross Hospital, Banks said. On the West Side, a man was shot multiple times and critically wounded in the wee hours of the morning. The man was shot in the 700 block of North Drake Avenue just after 1:45 a.m., and taken in critical condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, Banks said. Also on the West Side, 21-year-old man was in good condition early Saturday after he was shot in the right leg on the 4400 block of West Adams Street. The man was standing there abut 2:35 a.m. when someone in a passing car fired shots at him, police said. Police had not reported anyone in custody in any of the shootings as of midday Saturday. The rash of violence went back to daylight hours Friday. In broad daylight Friday, two teenage girls were shot in the thigh in separate incidents on the Southeast and Southwest sides. In the first incident, a girl was shot and wounded in the arm in the 2700 block of West 66th Street. A Chicago Lawn District sergeant indicated that another person was also shot in the incident. In the second incident, a 15-year-old girl was shot in the thigh in the 8700 block of South Euclid Avenue. Just two blocks from the scene of the first shooting where a girl was wounded, a man was shot at 5:40 p.m., police said. He was wounded in the 2700 block of West 64th Street and taken to Holy Cross Hospital in an unknown condition. And around 6:30 p.m., a teenage boy was shot in the 6000 block of South Campbell Avenue. He was taken to the University of Chicago's Comer Children's Hospital in serious condition, police said. The violence also did not come to end when the sun came up on Saturday. A 28-year-old man was reported in "stable condition" after being shot in the 2500 block of West 59th Street about 11:20 a.m. Police said the shooting appeared to be gang-related. Police: Shootings Down In 2008 Only hours before the rash of shootings happened, police touted that murders and shootings were down through the first three months of 2008. From January through March, murders decreased 1.1 percent and aggravated batteries decreased 0.8 percent, according to a release Friday from police. Criminal sexual assaults were down 13.9 percent, the release said. Robberies were up 16.3 percent in that time period. Overall crime was up 1.9 percent, though. The Harrison District on the West Side had the largest decrease compared to the same period last year, the release said, with an overall reduction in crime of 16.1 percent. Since the beginning of the year through March, 70 percent of the murder victims had prior arrest records and 97 percent of the offenders had prior arrest records, according to police. Approximately 81 percent of the murders involved firearms, with the most common motive being something gang-related. Almost 30 percent of the murders were gang-related, the release said. That was the first quarter of 2008. The next three months may be different if this past week is any indication. From Monday, April 14 through early Saturday, there had been at least 35 shootings in the city, and at least six of those shootings turned out to be fatal __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." Ronald Reagan 40th president of US (1911 - 2004)

04-19-2008, 01:31 PM	#2
Terry XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthPole, Alaska Posts: 569	How many of them where legal card holding citizens? None i bet. Gun control would not have made any difference. ! 15 and 16 year olds involved with shootings!___________________________ you fill in the blank. __________________ Be safe and always watch your back trail

04-19-2008, 02:51 PM	#6
XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,161	It's to bad Chicago is so anti-gun. It's a really fun city, I almost decided on going to Wheaton, that was before I was well informed on thier anti-gun stance. Now I would never live there and am still debating on ever visting again since they deny me my right to carry. __________________ "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

04-19-2008, 07:27 PM	#8
Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,363 Blog Entries: 5	State of Illinois strips citizens of their right to self defense against deadly threats by not permitting CCW. As far as I am concerned the State assumes full responsibility for protection of its citizens since we can't defend ourselves. In this respect, the State and its Mini-Me's... Chicago and Cook County... have failed miserably. The blood is on their hands. __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! I grant President-Elect Obama a free ride from criticism by me until 5/1/09. Always give a person a chance to do the right thing!

04-19-2008, 07:44 PM	#9
XDConvert9mm XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW Atlanta Suburbs Posts: 5,486	I grew up in Park Ridge. While it was a great place when I was a kid (60s-early 80s), I'm happy I got out 20+ years ago. After living in the South and experiencing different attitudes around the country while traveling for business I have a hard time with the mindset in Chicago and Cook County. At the time it was all I knew. __________________ "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

04-19-2008, 02:17 PM	#3
jcabin XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 548	When the economy goes down the sh!tter, i'll be glad i'm going into law enforcement, the field is really opening up. They teach us in every CJ class(at college) that crime has gone down since the early 1990's significantly, which the statistics prove to be true. However when the economy starts to buckle and the middle class americans are really in the hole with no jobs/income we're going to see a huge spike in crime.. it won't just be gang/drug related crime anymore. People just need to remember to do the right thing..

04-19-2008, 02:31 PM	#5
Grip XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,307	illinois sucks, we all know it...nothing is going to change about illinois gun laws.

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