New girl on the block

[Dotagious]

"One of the arguments that had been made against gun control was that an armed citizenry was the final bulwark against tyranny. My response had been that untrained, lightly-armed non-soldiers couldn't prevail against a modern army. I had concluded that the qualitative difference in firepower was such that all of the previous rules of guerilla war no longer applied. Both Vietnam and Afghanistan demonstrated that wasn't true. Repelling an armed invasion is not something that American citizens are likely to face, but the possibility of a despotic government coming to power is not wholly unthinkable. One of the sequellae of Vietnam was the rise of the Khmer Rouge and slaughter of perhaps a million Cambodian citizens. Those citizens, like the Jews in Germany or the Armenians in Turkey, were unarmed and thus utterly and completely defenseless against police and paramilitary. An armed minority was able to kill and terrorize unarmed victims with total impunity." – Paul Hagar, "Why I Carry"

[Judge]

I did not save it, but I remember during katrina, a homeowner got on top of his house with his AK47 in order to protect it from a roaming mob/gang. They saw him on the top of his house and turned around after begining to come onto his yard.

Anyone remember that story or saved it?

Originally Posted by RAVXD

do you now what the govermant uses AR's for ? for protection from criminals

do you know what the general public uses AR's for ? for protection from criminals and tyranny of government

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by Susan West

RAVXD, governments should be changed at the ballot box, not by use of arms. You live in a democracy, majority rules, you have the right to your point of view because others died to ensure you have liberty.
However the world turns and moves on, this is the 21st century, not the 18th. Good people such as you should be allowed to select and do and own what they want, however there are others out there that i would not allow to own a water pistol, less alone an AR, or FN, or any other rifle.
Governments are voted in by the majority, at least in the USA, if you all want what is unreasonable, and more of the same, just where does it end, with atomic bombs, i need one of those. No, settle for what you have, and allow the world to move on.

Democracies can turn into tyrannies, and peace into genocide on the drop of a dime when honest folk can't protect themselves from the government.

If you don't see the need for an AR that's fine, but don't tell me I don't have the right to protect my family with one if and when the time comes.

[Kaboom]

Originally Posted by Susan West

RAVXD, governments should be changed at the ballot box, not by use of arms. You live in a democracy, majority rules, you have the right to your point of view because others died to ensure you have liberty.
However the world turns and moves on, this is the 21st century, not the 18th. Good people such as you should be allowed to select and do and own what they want, however there are others out there that i would not allow to own a water pistol, less alone an AR, or FN, or any other rifle.
Governments are voted in by the majority, at least in the USA, if you all want what is unreasonable, and more of the same, just where does it end, with atomic bombs, i need one of those. No, settle for what you have, and allow the world to move on.

The problem is that those "others" WILL get ARs and FNs regarless of how much gun control we get dumped upon us.

Susan West

I'm just glad an "expert" finally showed up here do you know "Gecko45" by any chance??

No, settle for what you have, and allow the world to move on.

No-one here is preventing the world from moving on, we just save your collective asses and say "have a nice day", then WE move on.

[Kaboom]

Originally Posted by robinsre

If I'm out of my house, and there's someone at 50 meters taking pot shots at me with a rifle I know I can't run fast enough to get away....I'm going to get to cover and take the shot.

If someone with a rifle at 50yds is already taking shots at you, you are dead meat unless you move FAST and erratically, maybee take some blind shots to get his head down WHILE you run. Stop to take a shot ( even from cover ) and it will be the last shot you make.

[Kaboom]

Originally Posted by Reno82

A gun is a gun is a gun. Semi-auto or revolver or bolt action... I have a 30.06 and can get off 5 shots as fast or within 1 or 2 seconds of a AR15 for 5 shots. I wish you luck Susan West. I'll stay in the USA.

LOL come on dude, I hope you were joking. Post a video, I can do 5 from my AR in 2sec most likely, good luck keeping up.

[panther308]

I do most if not all at a distance of 5-7 mtrs for pistol and intermediate rifle out to 300 and long distance from 300-700

[Don]

Splitting hairs of sorts, but we live in a democratic republic. A 50%+1 democracy is little more than mob rule.

Originally Posted by Susan West

You live in a democracy, majority rules...

[ormandj]

You probably shouldn't make arguments concerning topics which you obviously know nothing about. Stick to whining that people disagree with you because you're female/too vocal/too correct/etc. It makes for far more entertaining posts! You've made this thread quite dull.

Originally Posted by Susan West

RAVXD, governments should be changed at the ballot box, not by use of arms. You live in a democracy, majority rules, you have the right to your point of view because others died to ensure you have liberty.
However the world turns and moves on, this is the 21st century, not the 18th. Good people such as you should be allowed to select and do and own what they want, however there are others out there that i would not allow to own a water pistol, less alone an AR, or FN, or any other rifle.
Governments are voted in by the majority, at least in the USA, if you all want what is unreasonable, and more of the same, just where does it end, with atomic bombs, i need one of those. No, settle for what you have, and allow the world to move on.

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Originally Posted by KEVWYO

I know I am going to be perceived as an a-hole for saying this and so be it but to all you guys welcoming Susan West to the forum ... do it at your own peril. She was quite the egotistical handful on the Beretta forum when I used to visit it from time to time. She is very adept at stirring pots.

I think your right, I always give people the benefit of the doubt but she doesnt seem to understand a lot of things concerning the regualtion of arms specifically semi automatic ones in our country.

If you understand our country is a very young on at that we still have to protect it from a tyranical governing body. If you saw the things they can and have done you would not be hasty in your decision against certain types of firearms. Look the the LA riots in which the police said we can't protect the citizens from gang member and other criminals and gun owners took to the streets to stop the crime. Sure it is not the 18th century but look at things that happen such as citizens guns being taken away during hurricane Katrina and all the mugging, rapes, murders, and looting that happened and people were not able to protect themselves. In this day and age it is imperative that we keep our freedoms especially those that were "earned" and were not "given" because of the sacrifices that millions of others made for us. Should there be a limit on how long these rights last after the people who got them for us die? The awnser is no, someone died for us and we will respect them and fight to keep the rights that they had to die so that others will get them.

Maybe you would be interested that semi automatic firearms such as the AR15, Springfield M1A, and even AK47's and SKS's and the like are all becoming very popular hunting guns here in america especially the AR15.