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I always wondered what happen to the Hare Krishna's. It was such a nice movement in the late 60's and 70's based on pure religious principles and deep philosophy but became corrupt after the leader (Prabhupada) passed away. I recently found an article on the net which claims Prabhupada was tortured and poisoned by some of his so called followers. So it seems that the child abuse and other scandals were not connected to Prabhupada and the genuine movement but to these criminals. I have added a bit of the article below, if you want to read all of it go to the links. There are some nice words from George Harrison about his feelings for Prabhupada and the teachings of the movement and also Prabhupada's PEACE FORMULA.
I'm interested to hear your views.
THE HARE KRISHNA SAINT
TORTURED AND POISONED "TO DEATH"
BY HIS JUDAS DISCIPLES (Leaders of a Sinister Movement)
“And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. So they may kill me also.” [Srila Prabhupada, Room Conversation May 3, 1976, Honolulu]
"Someone has poisoned me" [Srila Prabhupada, Room Conversation November 10, 1977, Vrndavana, India]
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the world-famous saint, cultural ambassador, scholar, social reformer and founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, (I.S.K.CON), warned in a letter dated September 1970 that “the great sinister movement is within our Society.” In 1977 he was held in a small room and slowly tortured and poisoned “to death” by the leaders of this sinister movement, as the tape transcriptions in this document conclusively prove.
Srila Prabhupada continued translating his transcendental books up to the point of his death. Although he was personally being disturbed by these demons, still, he was merciful to the general people, who are suffering for want of Krishna consciousness. Even up to the point of death, Srila Prabhupada was trying to preach Krishna consciousness. In fact his only concern was that all the people of this planet should receive the highest perfection of life namely Love of Krishna (God). So Srila Prabhupada truly manifested the symptoms of a Saint on the topmost level of self realization. On one side he was tolerant of his own sufferings and on the other side he was merciful.
After Srila Prabhupadas physical departure these Judas disciples immediately took complete control of I.S.K.CON, its wealth and resources, which were intended for spreading love of Krishna. Whilst falsely declaring themselves Srila Prabhupadas successors, they and their followers performed countless atrocious acts, including child molestation. Those who stood against them were forced out or even murdered.
This sinister movement masquerading as I.S.K.CON are now threatened to be sued for $400,000,000 by some of their victims, who were subjected to child abuse whilst at schools originally set up by Srila Prabhupada to teach the children the message of pure love of God, as proclaimed in the Vedic scriptures. Evidence used in the court case is being distorted to divert the blame on to Srila Prabhupada both by the criminals (to avoid justice) and by the victims lawyers (to gain the greatest financial rewards)
We have compiled this pamphlet in order to protect Srila Prabhupadas spotless character and to make it clear to the public, that this cult is not the pure Hare Krishna movement founded by him, but rather a group of envious impostors in the dress of devotees. These impostors have completely neglected Srila Prabhupadas guidance on every level, particularly in regards to protecting children.
If you are interested in learning more about these issues and the genuine Hare Krishna movement then you are welcome to contact us at:
prabhupada_news2@yahoo.co.uk
We are fighting to keep the Hare Krishna movement going on with Srila Prabhupada in the centre. We are printing his original transcendental books which are now being changed by the members of this cult, against Srila Prabhupadas order.
Every Sunday we are holding a festival of chanting and dancing and serve out a free sumptuous vegetarian feast. There is also a lecture given by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada on the science of self realisation and Bhakti Yoga, followed by a philosophical discussion. You are welcome to come along with your friends and experience the transcendental festival. HARE KRISHNA !
You can find the article on the following link: Click here
These children are the future hope of our Society
Now I am concerned that the Gurukula [KrishnaSchool] experiment should come out nicely. These children are the future hope of our Society, so it is a very important matter how we are training them in Krishna consciousness from the very childhood. [Srila rabhupada Letter to: Satsvarupa, New York 11 April, 1973]
Gurukula is our most important project. If the children are given a Krsna Conscious education from early childhood then there is great hope for the future of the world. [Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Dayananda, Nandarani Calcutta 27 January, 1973]
If we want them to become great devotees, then we must
educate the children with love, not in a negative way.
Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense. Who has devised these things? If we want them to become great devotees, then we must educate the children with love, not in a negative way. Of course, if they become naughty we may show the stick but we should never use it. Child is nonsense, so you can trick him to obey you by making some little story and the child will become cheated in the proper behavior. But never apply force, especially to his chanting and other matters of spiritual training. That will spoil him and in the future he will not like to do it if he forced. [Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Brahmanya Tirtha Ahmedabad 10 December 1972]
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GEORGE HARRISON (EX BEATLE) SPEAKS ABOUT
THE HARE KRISHNA SAINT. (PRABHUPADA)
HE WAS MUCH MORE INCREDIBLE THAN YOU COULD SEE ON THE SURFACE
Mukunda: George, you and John Lennon met Srila Prabhupada together when he stayed at John's home, in September of 1969.
George: Yes, but when I met him at first, I underestimated him. I didn't realize it then, but I see now that because of him, the mantra has spread so far in the last sixteen years, more than it had in the last five centuries. Now that's pretty amazing, because he was getting older and older, yet he was writing his books all the time. I realized later on that he was much more incredible than what you could see on the surface.
I LIKED PRABHUPADA'S HUMBLENESS. I ALWAYS LIKED HIS HUMILITY AND HIS SIMPLICITY
Mukunda: What about him stands out the most in your mind?
George: The thing that always stays is his saying, "I am the servant of the servant of the servant." I like that. A lot of people say, "I'm it. I'm the divine incarnation. I'm here and let me hip you." You know what I mean? But Prabhupada was never like that. I liked Prabhupada's humbleness. I always liked his humility and his simplicity The servant of the servant of the servant is really what it is, you know. None of us are God--just His servants. He just made me feel so comfortable. I always felt very relaxed with him, and I felt more like a friend. I felt that he was a good friend. Even though he was at the time seventy-nine years old, working practically all through the night, day after day, with very little sleep, he still didn't come through to me as though he was a very highly educated intellectual being, because he had a sort of childlike simplicity. Which is great, fantastic. Even though he was the greatest Sanskrit scholar and a saint, I appreciated the fact that he never made me feel uncomfortable. In fact, he always went out of his way to make me feel comfortable. I always thought of him as sort of a lovely friend, really, and now he's still a lovely friend.
Mukunda: In one of his books, Prabhupada said that your sincere service was better than some people who had delved more deeply into Krishna consciousness but could not maintain that level of commitment. How did you feel about this?
George: Very wonderful, really. I mean it really gave me hope, because as they say, even one moment in the company of a divine person, Krishna's pure devotee, can help a tremendous amount. And I think Prabhupada was really pleased at the idea that somebody from outside of the temple was helping to get the album made. Just the fact that he was pleased was encouraging to me. I knew he liked "The Hare Krishna Mantra" record, and he asked the devotees to play that song "Govinda." They still play it, don't they?
HE WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF EVERYTHING HE PREACHED
Mukunda: Every temple has a recording of it, and we play it each morning when the devotees assemble before the altar, before kirtana. It's an ISKCON institution, you might say.
George: And if I didn't get feedback from Prabhupada on my songs about Krishna or the philosophy, I'd get it from the devotees. That's all the encouragement I needed really. It just seemed that anything spiritual I did, either through songs, or helping with publishing the books, or whatever, really pleased him. The song I wrote, "Living in the Material World," as I wrote in I, Me, Mine, was influenced by Srila Prabhupada. He's the one who explained to me how we're not these physical bodies. We just happen to be in them. Like I said in the song, this place's not really what's happening. We don't belong here, but in the spiritual sky: As l'm fated for the material world, Get frustrated in the material world, Senses never gratified, Only swelling like a tide, That could drown me in the material world. The whole point to being here, really, is to figure a way to get out. That was the thing about Prabhupada, you see. He didn't just talk about loving Krishna and getting out of this place, but he was the perfect example. He talked about always chanting, and he was always chanting. I think that that in itself was perhaps the most encouraging thing for me. It was enough to make me try harder, to be just a little bit better. He was a perfect example of everything he preached.
THE AMOUNT OF LITERATURE PRABHUPADA PRODUCED IS TRULY AMAZING. IT BOGGLES THE MIND.
Mukunda: How would you describe Srila Prabhupada's achievements?
George: I think Prabhupada's accomplishments are very significant; they're huge. Even compared to someone like William Shakespeare, the amount of literature Prabhupada produced is truly amazing. It boggles the mind. He sometimes went for days with only a few hours sleep. I mean even a youthful, athletic young person couldn't keep the pace he kept himself at seventy-nine years of age.
ONE DAY I JUST REALIZED, “GOD THIS MAN IS AMAZING!”
George: Srila Prabhupada has already had an amazing effect on the world. There's no way of measuring it. One day I just realized, "God, this man is amazing!" He would sit up all night translating Sanskrit into English, putting in glossaries to make sure everyone understands it, and yet he never came off as someone above you. He always had that childlike simplicity, and what's most amazing is the fact that he did all this translating in such a relatively short time--just a few years. And without having anything more than his own Krishna consciousness, he rounded up all these thousands of devotees, set the whole movement in motion, which became something so strong that it went on even after he left. And it's still escalating even now at an incredible rate. It will go on and on from the knowledge he gave. [Edititors note: Srila Prabhupada: “Even if they stop (the movement) externally, internally it will go on.”] It can only grow and grow. The more people wake up spiritually, the more they'll begin to realize the depth of what Prabhupada was saying--how much he gave.
HIS CONTRIBUTION HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN ENORMOUS FROM THE LITERARY POINT OF VIEW
Mukunda: Did you know that complete sets of Prabhupada's books are in all the major colleges and universities in the world, including Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, and the Sorbonne?
George: They should be! One of the greatest things I noticed about Prabhupada was the way he would be talking to you in English, and then all of a sudden he would say it to you in Sanskrit and then translate it back into English. It was clear that he really knew it well. His contribution has obviously been enormous from the literary point of view, because he's brought the Supreme Person, Krishna, more into focus. A lot of scholars and writers know the Gita, but only on an intellectual level. Even when they write "Krishna said...," they don't do it with the bhakti or love required. That's the secret, you know--Krishna is actually a person who is the Lord and who will also appear there in that book when there is that love, that bhakti. You can't understand the first thing about God unless you love Him. These big so-called Vedic scholars--they don't necessarily love Krishna, so they can't understand Him and give Him to us. But Prabhupada was different.
WHAT HE WAS GIVING US WAS THE HIGHEST LITERATURE, THE HIGHEST KNOWLEDGE.
Mukunda: The Vedic literatures predicted that after the advent of Lord Caitanya five hundred years ago, there would be a Golden Age of ten thousand years, when the chanting of the holy names of God would completely nullify all the degradations of the modern age, and real spiritual peace would come to this planet.
George: Well, Prabhupada's definitely affected the world in an absolute way. What he was giving us was the highest literature, the highest knowledge. I mean there just isn't anything higher.
Mukunda: You write in your autobiography that "No matter how good you are, you still need grace to get out of the material world. You can be a yogi or a monk or a nun, but without God's grace you still can't make it." And at the end of the song "Living in the Material World," the Iyrics say, "Got to get out of this place by the Lord Sri Krishna's grace, my salvation from the material world." If we're dependent on the grace of God, what does the expression "God helps those who help themselves" mean?
George: It's flexible, I think. In one way, I'm never going to get out of here unless it's by His grace but then again, His grace is relative to the amount of desire I can manifest in myself. The amount of grace I would expect from God should be equal to the amount of grace I can gather or earn. I get out what I put in. Like in the song I wrote about Prabhupada:
The Lord loves the one that loves the Lord
And the law says if you don't give,
then you don't get loving
Now the Lord helps those that help themselves
And the law says whatever you do
It comes right back on you
-"The Lord Loves the One that Loves the Lord"
from Living in the Material World Apple LP
Have you heard that song "That Which I Have Lost" from my new album, Somewhere in England? It's right out of the Bhagavad-gita. In it I talk about fighting the forces of darkness, limitations, falsehood, and mortality.
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THE PEACE FORMULA
The great mistake of modern civilization is to encroach upon others' property as though it were one's own and thereby create an unnecessary disturbance of the laws of nature. These laws are very strong. No living entity can violate them. Only one who is Krsna conscious can easily overcome the stringent laws of nature and thus become happy and peaceful in the world.
As a state is protected by the department of law and order, so the state of the universe, of which this earth is only an insignificant fragment, is protected by the laws of nature. This material nature is one of the different potencies of God, who is the ultimate proprietor of everything that be. This earth is, therefore, the property of God, but we, the living entities, especially the so-called civilized human beings, are claiming God's property as our own under both an individual and collective false conception. If you want peace, you have to remove this false conception from your mind and from the world. This false claim of proprietorship by the human race on earth is partly or wholly the cause of all disturbances of peace on earth.
Foolish so-called civilized men are claiming proprietary rights on the property of God because they have now become godless. You cannot be happy and peaceful in a godless society. In the Bhagavad-gita Lord Krsna says that He is the factual enjoyer of all activities of the living entities, that He is the Supreme Lord of all universes, and that He is the well-wishing friend of all beings. When the people of the world know this as the formula for peace, it is then and there that peace will prevail.
Therefore, if you want peace at all, you will have to change your consciousness into Krsna consciousness, both individually and collectively, by the simple process of chanting the holy name of God. This is the standard and recognized process for achieving peace in the world. We therefore recommend that everyone become Krsna conscious by chanting Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.
This is practical, simple, and sublime. Five hundred years ago this formula was introduced in India by Lord Sri Caitanya, and now it is available throughout the world. Take to this simple process of chanting as above mentioned, realize your factual position by reading the Bhagavad-gita As It Is, and reestablish your lost relationship with Krsna, God. Peace and prosperity will be the immediate worldwide result.
By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
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* PRABHUPADA YOUR EVER WELL WISHER - An intimate insight into the life and teachings of the Hare Krishna Saint, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. The site includes Prabhupada's 400 page autobiography. Click here
* MATERIALISTIC SCIENTISTS EXPOSED By the Hare Krishna Saint His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. "If life originated from chemicals, and if your science is so advanced, then why can't you create life biochemically in your laboratories?" ....... "If scientists say that matter is the cause and origin of life, then let us ask them to bring back to life just one dead man, one great man like Professor Einstein. Let them inject some chemicals so that just one dead man may come back to life and work again. But this they cannot do." Click here
* WHAT IS KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS? - Among the thirty-six selections chosen for this special book, we hear Srila Prabhupada's moving poem upon his arrival in America, his exchange with a noted cardiologist on "soul research," his revelations to London Broadcasting Company on reincarnation, his telling remarks to the London Times on real and false gurus, his dialogue with a German Benedictine monk on Krsna and Christ, his insights on superconsciousness and the law of karma, his conversation with a leading Russian scholar on spiritual communism, and his intimate talk with his disciples on the sham of modern science. Read the selections in order, if you like, or start with the ones that first catch your interest. The Science of Self-Realization will challenge you and bring you inspiration and enlightenment. Click here
* DIALECTIC SPIRITUALISM - A VEDIC VIEW OF WESTERN PHILOSOPHY - Thirty-six philosophers from Socrates to Satreface the Hare Krishna guru,His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Click here
* KRISHNA BHAKTIVEDANTA HOLY COW PROTECTION SOCIETY - Lord Krsna as Govinda is more inclined to the brahmanas and the cows, indicating thereby that human prosperity depends more on these two items, namely brahminical culture and cow protection. Lord Krsna is never satisfied where these are lacking. Click here
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