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Dragoon44 · 06-10-2005, 03:39 PM

The XD's polymer frame is much sturdier there is no flexing in it like the glocks have. take a magazine out of a glock and you can flex the mag well with finger pressure..

manygunner · 06-11-2005, 01:39 AM

Why buy a BLOCK (read glock) when there are XDs? Even if they are paying only $57/unit. If I were them I would change guns to something more reputable. The Glock system has long been suspect in my book, mainly due to it's sucky ergonomics. The fact that they are know to Ka-Boom made me stay away from them.

Hornetsnest · 06-11-2005, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by manygunner

Why buy a BLOCK (read glock) when there are XDs? ...

Because our slide finish sucks, we don't have a long history of reliability, and they have more LEO contracts...

Verm · 06-11-2005, 01:59 PM

I really have a problem when a manufacturer constantly denies problems exist but then goes about redesigning to "fix" the nonexistant problems. This is nothing more than Gaston's ego being protected. Sadly though because of the money involved, many of the deptartments that have had problems can't switch brands.

pamato9 · 06-11-2005, 02:03 PM

I figure they would do whatever they could to downplay the reality here. Kind of like the "liberal media" trying to downplay one past president's idea of what "sex" is.

pt

dsg2003gt · 06-11-2005, 02:21 PM

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I didn't know the XD had a steel frame inside the polymer. I thought the metal started at the locking block.

All the guide rails are polymer in a Glock.

no they arent...they are metal.

Verm · 06-11-2005, 03:26 PM

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I didn't know the XD had a steel frame inside the polymer. I thought the metal started at the locking block.

All the guide rails are polymer in a Glock.

no they arent...they are metal.

Yep, and another area of previous problems.

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First word reached public notice the week of 7 October 2002 with the story out of the Bernalillo County (New Mexico) that the Sheriff's Department had discovered a problem in some newer .40-caliber Glock pistols that could lead to breakages after prolonged use.

The Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department has discovered a problem with its new Glock .40-caliber semi-automatic handguns.

Deputy Robert Ray, the armorer who runs the department's shooting range, he says the department scrambled to inspect all of its Glocks on Monday after two weapons broke.

The inspection turned up two more broken guns. Ray says that on some newer versions of the gun, two pieces of steel in the lower portion of the weapon were improperly machined. Those pieces may be prone to breaking under the stress of repeated firing. (see sidebar for complete text)

Another view The days after this news broke, a tip from a source in the 703 area code reached TGZ that "Glock has a big problem:"

Glock has recently discovered a serious structual problem with their guns. They redesigned their rear slide rails many years ago to make them longer, but for some reason shortened them again in the last couple of years¹. This shorter rail, coupled with some bad steel and a machine that stamped the rails incorrectly, is now causing some rear rails to break off the guns². When the rail breaks, it can lock up the gun. Not a good thing in a gunfight.

Glock recently went to the FBI and told them about this problem and quietly replaced over 700 frames. They apparently have no intention to tell their other customers about this problem. This problem affects ALL models of Glocks and TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GUNS. What about the DC Police with 4000 guns, NYPD with 35000 guns.

They have a major recall situation on their hands, but like their infamous "upgrade," this will never be called a recall. This needs to be investigated and publicized to make Glock take care of their other customers and not give preference to the big FBI.

The Glock Slide Rail ProblemAnd investigated it is, first with the FBI's Firearms Training Unit in Quantico, Virginia, and then with Glock, Inc. which has been telling its 9mm-issuing agencies that it was only the .40 S&W pistols, due to the higher pressure, which are at risk. Although the same defect is present on all the polymer pistols, the company doesn't think the 9 x 19mm cartridge "is powerful enough" to break the rail.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/problems.html

omegaic · 06-11-2005, 03:56 PM

That all may be true, but the finish is great!

Hornetsnest · 06-11-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by omegaic

That all may be true, but the finish is great!

...and you can put it in mud and it still works

RTM2031 · 06-11-2005, 09:45 PM

I've never owned a Glock. I have always liked the way the XD fit my hand so much better, but I always thought Glock was a good gun unaware they've had such problems.

06-11-2005, 01:39 AM	#12
manygunner XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pacific North West Posts: 2,036	Why buy a BLOCK (read glock) when there are XDs? Even if they are paying only $57/unit. If I were them I would change guns to something more reputable. The Glock system has long been suspect in my book, mainly due to it's sucky ergonomics. The fact that they are know to Ka-Boom made me stay away from them. __________________ CZ-Kadet CZ-52 CZ-83 CZ-75B CZ-85 Combat CZ-452 HK USP Compact Walther P99 XD-9 Service XD-9 Tactical Glock 17 Taurus PT-92 AR Taurus .44 Mag Mossberg 500A Remington 870 AR-15 16\" fluted AMD-65 Dragunov SVD STG-58

06-11-2005, 01:59 PM	#14
Verm XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Carson City NV. Posts: 814	I really have a problem when a manufacturer constantly denies problems exist but then goes about redesigning to "fix" the nonexistant problems. This is nothing more than Gaston's ego being protected. Sadly though because of the money involved, many of the deptartments that have had problems can't switch brands. __________________ Enough firepower, the will and the guts to use it all.

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pamato9 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 134	Has Glocktalk heard about this? I figure they would do whatever they could to downplay the reality here. Kind of like the "liberal media" trying to downplay one past president's idea of what "sex" is. pt __________________ Never enough guns 7 wonderful children One loving Wife __________________

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06-10-2005, 03:39 PM	#11
Dragoon44 XDTalk Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida U.S.A Posts: 98	The XD's polymer frame is much sturdier there is no flexing in it like the glocks have. take a magazine out of a glock and you can flex the mag well with finger pressure..

06-11-2005, 09:45 PM	#20
RTM2031 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 212	I've never owned a Glock. I have always liked the way the XD fit my hand so much better, but I always thought Glock was a good gun unaware they've had such problems.