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SleeveleSS · 02-15-2008, 08:51 PM

Thank you to Ed Ely for his post copying Mr. Suarez's article in his post "THE BASICS OF MARKSMANSHIP" linked here THE BASICS OF MARKSMANSHIP - Part 1 and Part 2

I read through it quickly last night, and think it was invaluable to me and certainly could be for a lot of newbies like myself. The following is my experience at the range today thanks to this article, especially Part 2 and trigger control. I am about to go into the police academy, and brought my XD .45 tactical back to college with me to get some practice in. After a few trips to the range I have been reading all I can online to try and improve my groups (plus online forums are always fun).

After reading this post I tried it today with a friend of mine. I shot the first group at 3 yards with my normal style of shooting. I then tried Mr. Suarez's method at 7, 15 and back to 3 yards. The follow are all my targets from today. For each I used one clip (13 rds.) for head shots, and one clip for the traditional points scoring. I'm sorry for the sideways pics, but they are right in Photobucket and I don't know how to change them.

1) 3 Yards Old Method

2) 7 Yards New Method

3) 15 Yards New Method

4) 3 Yards New Method

5) 3 Yards New Method

You can see that I marked the first shot on a couple of them because the first shot is the hardest. After that it is all you are doing pulling from just past the reset point, and don't have the initial take-up. I only did rapid fire for the points on the last target, and even it ended up very good.

I can hardly tell the (1) from (3), and that's a difference of 36 feet! The improvement is incredible to me, and I never though I could see such gains from only 10 minutes of reading. What's even better is the gains were instant, as this was only over about an hour of shooting today. I'm sure to see even more improvement with more range time.

Tell me what you think.

rogerxd45 · 02-15-2008, 08:55 PM

my groups have gotten alot better since i started coming here some of that is just from practice but some of it is from different pieces of advice.

keep it up

jtkratzer · 02-15-2008, 09:34 PM

Excellent...I tagged that one to read and after seeing your improvement, it's moved up on my priority list of what to read.

**Ed Ely** · 02-16-2008, 06:53 AM

Mr. Suarez certainly deserve's all
credit due.

The forum is most happy to be the
conduit for information. We are also
happy for the forum members, with-
out the marriage of the two, forum
and its' members, well.....my days
just would not be so bright.

Please drop Gabe a note, I am sure
that he would appreciate it. A swell
guy.

Ed

P.S. That grouping looks fantastic.
Keep at it! Glad to hear that your
sights are set for LEO position.

SleeveleSS · 02-16-2008, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

Mr. Suarez certainly deserve's all
credit due.

The forum is most happy to be the
conduit for information. We are also
happy for the forum members, with-
out the marriage of the two, forum
and its' members, well.....my days
just would not be so bright.

Please drop Gabe a note, I am sure
that he would appreciate it. A swell
guy.

Ed

P.S. That grouping looks fantastic.
Keep at it! Glad to hear that your
sights are set for LEO position.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm looking forward to my time as a LEO. Who is this Mr. Suarez and why does he know so much?

**Ed Ely** · 02-16-2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleeveleSS

Thanks for the kind words. I'm looking forward to my time as a LEO. Who is this Mr. Suarez and why does he know so much?

He is good at his profession and teaches others
what he has learned over the many years.

Gabe Suarez Suarez International USA, Inc.
info@suarezinternational.com

Ed

billbrasky · 02-16-2008, 04:23 PM

Big improvement, you’ll be a dead eye dick if you get a few thousand rounds practice in. Good stuff I am going to study Suarez now. Please post up any other clinics, guides to better shooting etc. I asked about this stuff a few months ago, seems the consensus is I need to buy some Brian enos videos and or books. I am not a bad shot naturally with my form probably being terrible if viewed by a pro, but I want to be a real crack shot. Who better to learn from than folks whose round counts are in the hundreds of thousands and experience measured in decades. If I can glean just a fraction of their knowledge I shoot with my natural athleticism be able to smoke any car jacker home invader etc. ( I am not a cop or in the academy, purely recreational shooter by the way)

SgtWKPII · 02-16-2008, 04:24 PM

Sweet, great improvement! Keep it up!

kayl · 02-16-2008, 04:26 PM

Nice improvement! What helped me improve the most when I started was lots and lots of dryfiring. Just make sure 2 or 3 times that the gun is unloaded

SleeveleSS · 02-16-2008, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kayl

Nice improvement! What helped me improve the most when I started was lots and lots of dryfiring. Just make sure 2 or 3 times that the gun is unloaded

I had a ND indoors about a year ago and ever since then I've been very paranoid about dry firing. I do it, but I triple check and still make sure its in a safe direction. It was probably the dumbest thing I've ever done, but I have to say I am much safer because of it.

02-15-2008, 08:51 PM	#1
SleeveleSS XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 137	Results Thanks to XD Talk Thank you to Ed Ely for his post copying Mr. Suarez's article in his post "THE BASICS OF MARKSMANSHIP" linked here THE BASICS OF MARKSMANSHIP - Part 1 and Part 2 I read through it quickly last night, and think it was invaluable to me and certainly could be for a lot of newbies like myself. The following is my experience at the range today thanks to this article, especially Part 2 and trigger control. I am about to go into the police academy, and brought my XD .45 tactical back to college with me to get some practice in. After a few trips to the range I have been reading all I can online to try and improve my groups (plus online forums are always fun). After reading this post I tried it today with a friend of mine. I shot the first group at 3 yards with my normal style of shooting. I then tried Mr. Suarez's method at 7, 15 and back to 3 yards. The follow are all my targets from today. For each I used one clip (13 rds.) for head shots, and one clip for the traditional points scoring. I'm sorry for the sideways pics, but they are right in Photobucket and I don't know how to change them. 1) 3 Yards Old Method 2) 7 Yards New Method 3) 15 Yards New Method 4) 3 Yards New Method 5) 3 Yards New Method You can see that I marked the first shot on a couple of them because the first shot is the hardest. After that it is all you are doing pulling from just past the reset point, and don't have the initial take-up. I only did rapid fire for the points on the last target, and even it ended up very good. I can hardly tell the (1) from (3), and that's a difference of 36 feet! The improvement is incredible to me, and I never though I could see such gains from only 10 minutes of reading. What's even better is the gains were instant, as this was only over about an hour of shooting today. I'm sure to see even more improvement with more range time. Tell me what you think.

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SgtWKPII XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Camano Island, Warshington Posts: 17,477 Blog Entries: 18	Sweet, great improvement! Keep it up! __________________ It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it. -Al Gore Lord, let me be half the man my dogs think I am.

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kayl XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: WI Posts: 1,247	Nice improvement! What helped me improve the most when I started was lots and lots of dryfiring. Just make sure 2 or 3 times that the gun is unloaded __________________ Have you talked to your XD today?

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02-15-2008, 08:55 PM	#2
rogerxd45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: boise ID (its boy-see, not boy-z) Posts: 3,592	my groups have gotten alot better since i started coming here some of that is just from practice but some of it is from different pieces of advice. keep it up

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jtkratzer XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lancaster Co., PA Posts: 16,291	Excellent...I tagged that one to read and after seeing your improvement, it's moved up on my priority list of what to read.

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Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,618 Blog Entries: 1	Mr. Suarez certainly deserve's all credit due. The forum is most happy to be the conduit for information. We are also happy for the forum members, with- out the marriage of the two, forum and its' members, well.....my days just would not be so bright. Please drop Gabe a note, I am sure that he would appreciate it. A swell guy. Ed P.S. That grouping looks fantastic. Keep at it! Glad to hear that your sights are set for LEO position.

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billbrasky XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: suburban detroit Posts: 2,214	Big improvement, you’ll be a dead eye dick if you get a few thousand rounds practice in. Good stuff I am going to study Suarez now. Please post up any other clinics, guides to better shooting etc. I asked about this stuff a few months ago, seems the consensus is I need to buy some Brian enos videos and or books. I am not a bad shot naturally with my form probably being terrible if viewed by a pro, but I want to be a real crack shot. Who better to learn from than folks whose round counts are in the hundreds of thousands and experience measured in decades. If I can glean just a fraction of their knowledge I shoot with my natural athleticism be able to smoke any car jacker home invader etc. ( I am not a cop or in the academy, purely recreational shooter by the way)