New Iraq Technique

[Krackels]

Here's something interesting.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...BB6B351923.htm

No mention of the fact that those that 'blew themselves up' were mentally disabled.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Krackels

Help bring reform to Islam.
Stuff like this needs to be brought out into the open and the research needs to be encouraged to continue.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120008793352784631.html

Have you heard about this on the news?

Then I bet you won't hear it on Al-Jazeera or read about it in Middle Eastern Countries.

In theory I agree, we can’t even get a large percentage of our own people that we aren’t fighting for oil pure and simple, I like what you’re saying, and have thought it myself.... in theroy its great. The radical spin has some hero complex crap that is an easy sell for these folks. Any meddling on our part I figure will be us high jacking their religion, half our own people hate us, white mans revised edition to the Koran (aka just preach the older peachful'ish version .... what ever was popular before folks started blowing themselves up 50-60 years ago) I don’t see as being a top seller.

Reading that link, interesting stuff.

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

I see it as we are fighting a radical ideological element in a few countries, which is much like fighting communism in Vietnam. We didn’t have a religious beef with Vietnam, no cultural issue, or resources. Purely the ideal of communism.

Yeah, but the majority of people didn't embrace communism. The 'supported' it only because if they didn't they'd be dragged away, jailed, and/or killed. I'm not sure it's that way with most of the people living in Islamic countries.

Perhaps, if any country is ready for a revolution it might be Iran. One things for sure as time goes on people become more westernized and will abandon the ancient and obsolete beliefs of Islam for more reformed beliefs.

What girl wants to hide her beauty behind a full length burkha? How much do you think people need to watch western television and read western media until they realize they've gotten the shaft? How long does it take before women realize that there's something deeply wrong with their 'religion'.

IMO, send more missionaries. If anything can fix the countries Christ can.

Woa we went and fought and it wasn’t for oil, no way I say all those videos I saw were actors on Hollywood sound stage and all the war money went to big oil (that comment is not for you krackels)

I know the comment about oil wasn't directed at me, I wanted to make sure that it was clear that I didn't completely agree with him.

[beardman2]

This is the kind of stuff that makes it hard not to fall prey to they "kill them all let god sort it out" attitude.

[rupert]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

I don’t get how you can be against the war and be FOR America, America of the past, of history, not some hippie sissified dream land in the future way folks want to meld America into.

I don’t understand how people on this board think we don’t NEED the FBI, CIA, and need to protect our interests; all this anti "meddling" crap is code for handicapping America.

How does one fix the greater problem of Muslim extremists with out war?

I hear tons and tons of bitching; I have yet to hear what we should do beyond NOTHING, which is siding with the enemy if one is for letting them do to us what they please.

I would LOVE to hear some real ideas about solving he radical Muslim problem that doesn’t involve sticking flowers into he end of their rifle barrels.

What do you think of soldiers opinions if they are against the war and have served in a combat zone?

[jdavionic]

How did they know they were retarded women? Did they have Clinton '08 buttons on?

[Bree]

Originally Posted by beardman2

This is the kind of stuff that makes it hard not to fall prey to they "kill them all let god sort it out" attitude.

Fall prey to it??? I am thinking of wholeheartedly embracing it when they commit this kind of atrocity on top of all the others.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by rupert

What do you think of soldiers opinions if they are against the war and have served in a combat zone?

in gerneral with out more specifics, i think (war being current and you saying served past tense makes me think this is some sort of trick question):

Against war period, as in a conscientious objector, I think why did they enlist?

If they are against the current war, I think they don’t have an opinion after they enlist, it’s not their place to choose where and when we go to battle. They have options they can desert and go AWOL or ask for a dishonorable discharge. No one is making them take the pay check. It’s not a job you do to get rich, so I don’t see many enlisting if they don’t believe in it.

I do think there are people who enlisted in the reserves as a calculated gamble and lost the gamble thinking they could get free training, free school, and benefits pension and bragging rights (not a slam against reservists my grandpa was a Canadian boy who enlisted in US air force in WWII). He remained in the reserves after the war for the remaining years he was eligible.

Just curious rupert did you serve?

[rupert]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

in gerneral with out more specifics, i think (war being current and you saying served past tense makes me think this is some sort of trick question):

Against war period, as in a conscientious objector, I think why did they enlist?

If they are against the current war, I think they don’t have an opinion after they enlist, it’s not their place to choose where and when we go to battle. They have options they can desert and go AWOL or ask for a dishonorable discharge. No one is making them take the pay check. It’s not a job you do to get rich, so I don’t see many enlisting if they don’t believe in it.

I do think there are people who enlisted in the reserves as a calculated gamble and lost the gamble thinking they could get free training, free school, and benefits pension and bragging rights (not a slam against reservists my grandpa was a Canadian boy who enlisted in US air force in WWII). He remained in the reserves after the war for the remaining years he was eligible.

Just curious rupert did you serve?

I enlisted Oct. 21 2001, Went to Basic July 29, 2002. Served in Iraq in '03 and '05. Ended Active duty July 29, 2006. I served as a M1 Abrams crewmember (19 Kilo).

To make a very long story short, I saw to much to believe that we are overthere for "bringing democracy and freedom" to the Iraqi people. There is to many people worried about making money when they need to be worried about getting the job done as fast as possible and get our guys and girls home.

I served my time the best I could. I agree with you in the sense that when your a soldier you cant question policy, you follow orders.

I have made a decsion that I will sit in jail rather then go fight another unjustified war. I am not dying for these IDIOTS in power (dems and repubs)

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by rupert

I enlisted Oct. 21 2001, Went to Basic July 29, 2002. Served in Iraq in '03 and '05. Ended Active duty July 29, 2006. I served as a M1 Abrams crewmember (19 Kilo).

To make a very long story short, I saw to much to believe that we are overthere for "bringing democracy and freedom" to the Iraqi people. There is to many people worried about making money when they need to be worried about getting the job done as fast as possible and get our guys and girls home.

I served my time the best I could. I agree with you in the sense that when your a soldier you cant question policy, you follow orders.

I have made a decsion that I will sit in jail rather then go fight another unjustified war. I am not dying for these IDIOTS in power (dems and repubs)

so are you in the reserves at this point ? Cant you just ask for dishonorable discharge if called up for another tour of duty ?

If you have had a phiolosophical change since enlisting you can make the claim to be an objector, though i think they can still make you serve as a medic, a clerk etc, just not on the lines. I am not sure i have never talked to a objector in person. I think thats how it works.

Anytime there is anything so massive as the war there will be people making money, i think its better than communists making money which is hypocritical. People dont risk what wars take to not make money. Fortunes are lost in wars, not just made. Its not different than gambling on the superbowl, there is only one winner.