New Iraq Technique

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Who is doing that?

Read previous posts in this thread. Maybe I'm loosing my reading comprehension, but I don't think so. I have also seen this in other threads, so IMO some do this, but like I said, maybe I'm reading to much into a false accusation.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by AZXD

The one thing I really don't get on this board is how someone can state, or imply that they are against the war and they are automatically labeled as being anti-American, or anti-protecting America

I don’t get how you can be against the war and be FOR America, America of the past, of history, not some hippie sissified dream land in the future way folks want to meld America into.

I don’t understand how people on this board think we don’t NEED the FBI, CIA, and need to protect our interests; all this anti "meddling" crap is code for handicapping America.

How does one fix the greater problem of Muslim extremists with out war?

I hear tons and tons of bitching; I have yet to hear what we should do beyond NOTHING, which is siding with the enemy if one is for letting them do to us what they please.

I would LOVE to hear some real ideas about solving he radical Muslim problem that doesn’t involve sticking flowers into he end of their rifle barrels.

[wirelessjack]

well i never bitched about money.....you did!

second, i guess sticking flowers in the ground instead of rifles is good enough for you.

and finally, I NEVER stated I was against the war. You did.

I said we need to bring our troops home. Plain and simple.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by wirelessjack

Lets just all hope that McCain isnt elected into office so that we can be allowed to move on from this unjustified war. He wants to keep us there for another 100 billion $'s, sorry, I mean years. The current administration's foreign policy is no different than what will come to be if we allow him to take control of this country. I refuse to continue to allow our men and women, fathers, sons, daughters, moms and dads to be sent to their deaths all for the cruel and evil men behind this in there search for black gold.

the words people use when they are other words to use say allot more than the actual word they choose. Sent to their deaths vs. volunteer to serve and protect.

So we don’t send them to war, what do we have a military for?

It’s not so simple as the oil, there is oil in Canada, and just the hunters in Michigan could take Canada’s army. Canada has no army of substance, they are rich in oil, why don’t we just take over Canada if your theory of this all being about oil is true? There are many other countries with oil, we could invade Venezuela, they are weeeeeak, African nations like






http://internationaltrade.suite101.c..._oil_countries
Top Ten Oil Exporting Countries
• Saudi Arabia (8.73 million barrels per day)
• Russia (6.67)
• Norway (2.91)
• Iran (2.55)
• Venezuela (2.36)
• United Arab Emirates (2.33)
• Kuwait (2.20)
• Nigeria (2.19)
• Mexico (1.80)
• Algeria (1.6

Greatest Oil Reserves by Country (2005)
• Saudi Arabia (262 billion barrels)
• Canada (179)
• Iran (126)
• Iraq (115)
• Kuwait (102)
• United Arab Emirates (9
• Venezuela (77)
• Russia (60)
• Libya (39)
• Nigeria (35)

Now look at those countries, we are bordered on either side by a weak top ten oil reserve country, and a top ten oil producing country, yet we travel across the world to fight “peaceful muslim” STRICTLY for oil that is closer.

How some Norway being a top 5 producer of oil is not the focus of so many wars, they produce more than Iran. Why has Iran been so war torn for centuries?

Why was the Middle East so war torn before the white man/blued eyed devils showed them they had oil?

The oil is only an issue because you WANT it to be.

Ps the Algerians and Nigerians would make good subjects they take well to evil dictator rulers, why haven’t we pursued them, religion would not be much a an issue, there are low expectations in Africa, and lets face it, its war torn top to bottom, no one cares, and no one is going to travel from Zimbabwe to fight for the Algerians in the way that Muslims from around the world travel to the middle east to fight. If this is about EASY oil, why haven’t we trampled Norway, Canada, Mexico, Algeria, or Nigeria?

Lastly canada is now widely accepted to have the greatest reserves in the world. Right next door, why havent we kicked their ass'es yet ?

[AZXD]

Tempest,
I guess you have your answer.

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

He didn’t say he WANTED to be in Iraq period. We are already there he said STAY a hundred years, which is a fine strategy. Perfectly inline with history and what we and others have done in the past, THIS IS THE WAY THINGS WORK. He didn’t say he wanted blood shed for a hundred years, and didn’t say anything beyond us being there. Anymore reading into it is just to fulfill your own terrible view of the future.

I'm not saying I don't completely agree with you, but remember that all of the previous wars were against countries not an ideology.

It's easy to destroy a country and regime that waged war with you and then rebuild it, but it's much harder to destroy a regime that hated you along with an ideology which thinks it's not only acceptable to kill yourself to kill the enemy but believes that they'll attain a heavenly afterlife by doing so.

Now you may say Japan had people that often killed themselves to kill Americans, but don't forget that the Japanese answered to the emperor. Once the emperor bowed they gave up. The new enemy answers only to themselves and who they perceive to be Allah.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by wirelessjack

well i never bitched about money.....you did!

second, i guess sticking flowers in the ground instead of rifles is good enough for you.

and finally, I NEVER stated I was against the war. You did.

I said we need to bring our troops home. Plain and simple.

you had the $ on the billions. Bring the troops home is against the war, i cant belive i had to say that, i thought that was implied.

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

How does one fix the greater problem of Muslim extremists with out war?

Help bring reform to Islam.
Stuff like this needs to be brought out into the open and the research needs to be encouraged to continue.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120008793352784631.html

Have you heard about this on the news?

Then I bet you won't hear it on Al-Jazeera or read about it in Middle Eastern Countries.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Krackels

I'm not saying I don't completely agree with you, but remember that all of the previous wars were against countries not an ideology.

It's easy to destroy a country and regime that waged war with you and then rebuild it, but it's much harder to destroy a regime that hated you along with an ideology which thinks it's not only acceptable to kill yourself to kill the enemy but believes that they'll attain a heavenly afterlife by doing so.

Now you may say Japan had people that often killed themselves to kill Americans, but don't forget that the Japanese answered to the emperor. Once the emperor bowed they gave up. The new enemy answers only to themselves and who they perceive to be Allah.

All the more hard to fight from our shores. I agree with you also, but we in reality aren’t fighting ALL Muslims or even all radical Muslims (there are plenty of radicals who have set up shop in London for example, quite happy preaching radical Islam, but do not plan to take up arms and leave safe London). I see it as we are fighting a radical ideological element in a few countries, which is much like fighting communism in Vietnam. We didn’t have a religious beef with Vietnam, no cultural issue, or resources. Purely the ideal of communism.


Woa we went and fought and it wasn’t for oil, no way I say all those videos I saw were actors on Hollywood sound stage and all the war money went to big oil (that comment is not for you krackels)

[cjive134]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

And the leftists and elite media will not say a thing and continue to call US the terrorists.

Makes one wonder...does it not?

- Brickboy240

Not calling you a liar, just wondering who actually says this. My elite media hasn't told me this, and I haven't heard this from any of the leftist sites I go to.

Again, not calling you a liar.