Here's your "conservative" President..(PV)

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by VaGunNut

What about that pesky 14th amendment?



Isn't the second amendment a privilege/right reserved for the people?

But that also says:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Washington, D.C. isn't a state and that's their argument that the residents of Washington, D.C. aren't afforded all of the rights of those living in a state with true statehood.

[longtalltechsan]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

But that also says:


Washington, D.C. isn't a state and that's their argument that the residents of Washington, D.C. aren't afforded all of the rights of those living in a state with true statehood.

I understand that this says "State", but I don't see how people who live their can not be called citizens of this country and therefore not be afforded the same rights as those who actually live in states. That just seems absurd. I am not arguing with you, but it seems stupid.

[turbosupra1313]

this is the second time in 2 days ive seen a thread where dave says something without doing homework, then never comes back to back himself up...... confused why?

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by longtalltechsan

I understand that this says "State", but I don't see how people who live their can not be called citizens of this country and therefore not be afforded the same rights as those who actually live in states. That just seems absurd. I am not arguing with you, but it seems stupid.

It seems we want state's rights when it suits us, and we want federal rights when it suits us.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by longtalltechsan

I understand that this says "State", but I don't see how people who live their can not be called citizens of this country and therefore not be afforded the same rights as those who actually live in states. That just seems absurd. I am not arguing with you, but it seems stupid.

I understand what you're saying, but there are regulations and laws that apply to what states can and cannot do with their own laws. DC does not apply to these because it's system of representation is different.

[eric_t12]

Originally Posted by east_stingray

I don't remember which thread I posted this in, but DC is one of the only cases where the second amendment directly prohibits a ban. DC is not a state and is under the direct control of the federal government. The second amendment has not been "incorporated" to apply to the states, so it only applies to the Fed. DC is one of the only places where a ban is unconstitutional. City bans are constitutional so long as they don't violate the state constitution.

OMFG DUDE!

somebody else said it before me!

if any place in the USA should be unrestricted it is DC.

i would also like to point out that i feel the constitution as stated is the LAW OF THE LAND>

as such - it immediately applies to the states, in my opinion. just as alover of freedom i think all rights should automatically be "given" to the people, without regard to the Federal / state question.

[Captain Jack]

It's things like this that just sets me on fire and burns me up.

I'm sorry, but to me, Bush has been our own worst enemy. From monitoring our phone calls, to tracking people, and now to considering LAW ABIDING LEGAL GUN OWNERS a "THREAT".

WTF?!?! I simply can not wait until he leaves the White House. It's too bad we can't boot him out NOW, along with all the other control freak socialist paranoid wanna-be's. Grrrrrr....................

[lora84]

Originally Posted by Captain Jack

It's things like this that just sets me on fire and burns me up.

I'm sorry, but to me, Bush has been our own worst enemy. From monitoring our phone calls, to tracking people, and now to considering LAW ABIDING LEGAL GUN OWNERS a "THREAT".

WTF?!?! I simply can not wait until he leaves the White House. It's too bad we can't boot him out NOW, along with all the other control freak socialist paranoid wanna-be's. Grrrrrr....................

Please, don't hold back, share your feelings with the group.

[Captain Jack]

Originally Posted by lora84

Please, don't hold back, share your feelings with the group.

I admit, I did not vote for Bush in 2000. Nope. But I had faith in him after Sept 11th. But that faith has been returning nothing but let-down for me. Frankly, I'm simply tired of hearing his name on the Television/radio, and reading it in the paper/online.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

It seems we want state's rights when it suits us, and we want federal rights when it suits us.

I want all of my rights, all of the time.