(PV) Best summary of Paul I've seen...

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Judge

And we've seen the same here on this board... the author was talking about the blimp...

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The blimp asks “Who is Ron Paul?” He’s a candidate whose supporters celebrate terrorist Guy Fawkes, spam online polls, irritate the holy hello out of bloggers who point out their candidate’s obvious flaws, and who has become an empty vessel into which everyone from brothel owners to true libertarians to leftwing anti-American agitators and assorted isolationists have poured their own political hopes and dreams. Paul is where the paleo right and the anarcho left meet for drinks.

There's nothing wrong with any of this. What's wrong with people who feel disenfranchised to feel hopeful about a politician instead of disgusted?

Originally Posted by Judge

The reality is that Ron Paul is a pro-life libertarian who runs as a Republican hawk in his Texas district when it’s convenient but who blames America for pretty much every bad thing that happens in the world, who votes against pork even while writing it into federal budgets and who accepts donations he doesn’t need from the racists at Stormfront. But try telling that to his supporters and you’re met with a wall of noise.>>

This part is where you run into problems. As far as I know, Ron Paul has never run as a hawk. If he were being duplicitous, we would have heard about it by now. Ron Paul's strength is his straight talk and his consistency.

He doesn't blame America for everything. He just thinks we have lost our way. I have read his explanation of the earmark issue and I am satisfied with it. And, I have heard his explanation about why he is keeping donations from whomever sends them in. He cannot investigate every single donor who gives to his campaign for one thing.

[Cogz]

Originally Posted by Judge

this isn't stirring the pot anymore than all the Paul is great posts or the posts demeaning the US war effort and the troops.

This is for discussion. If you can't discuss, I suggest you take your whiny arse elsewhere where differing opinions aren't allowed.

Stirring the pot: Posting with the base motivation of provoking a fight.

Now, I can't attest to what your motivation is so I will move on to your "untruthiness."

1) Supporters did not celebrate "terrorist Guy Fawkes."

a. Guy Fawkes was not a terrorist.

1. According to UK law, terrorism consists of:

(a) the action falls within subsection (2),

(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government or to intimidate the public or a section of the public and

(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause.

(2) Action falls within this subsection if it

(a) involves serious violence against a person,

(b) involves serious damage to property,

(c) endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,

(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public or

(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

2. What Guy Fawkes did was attempt to blow up the parliamentary building, not kill any person. His act was done at night when he knew nobody would be present, and in fact warned some to stay away. His aim WAS political and destructive. However:

3. Read as such - American Revolutionaries would have been considered terrorists, and we celebrate them. So which is it?

b. What WAS celebrated, was November 5th, the day that the british rose up against their tyranical government in the movie "V for Vendetta" which features a character who patterns his activities on the original Guy Fawkes.

c. In the movie, the British rose up PEACEFULLY to send a message. On November 5th, Ron Paul supporters donated money to PEACEFULLY send a message to the government that we are starting to wake up as a people as to what this country has become.

2) There is no proof that Ron Paul supporters "spam" any poll in any underhanded manner. The only reason that Ron Paul might win an online or text messaging poll (to a higher regard than he might win an election) is that his supporters are better organized.

3) Ron Paul supporters support him for his message - and so if that message has become an "empty vessel" for us to pour our dreams into so be it. The message is following the constitution, and I am willing to pour myself into that and carry it as far as it may go.

4) Ron Paul understands that there is blowback when we move to exert our will upon foreign lands. 9/11 happened here for a reason - not because we are rich and free but because of what we on their land and to their people. That is not blaming the U.S, it is blaming U.S. policy. You have no blame to share, and your sense of safety WAS harmed on 9/11, but the 9/11 commission report even backed up the claim that the justification for the 9/11 hijackers was our foreign policy. By all means kill all those connected with that event, but don't continue the same behavior.

5) Earmarks are spending allocations on bills that have been passed and the money already "spent." If Dr. Paul didn't ask for money for his district, other representatives would grab that same money for their districts, and what is left over would be spent by the Executive branch in whatever manner they desire. Government Agencies (with the exception of the Marine Corps) are not known for giving back money they don't need. Plus, how the heck would he ever get elected if he never served his voter base? Placing an earmark on a bill gets the money back to his district that he couldn't prevent because he only has one NO vote to make.

[bkelm18]

Judge, your constant pot stirring disgusts me. It just proves that you are so insecure with yourself and your choices of candidates that you must continually reassure yourself with nonsense by posting it in a place where you KNOW it will cause a fight. And yes, there is a huge difference between your posts and all the pro-Paul posts. I have not seen a single other thread on this board whose sole purpose was to bash a favored presidential candidate, yet you do it constantly. I'm not saying this because I'm pro-Paul, I'm saying this because you need to stop this political trolling and pot stirring, and yes it IS pot stirring because you know that anything you post will turn into an argument because it has done so for the past 100 anti-Paul posts you have made. There's a time for political discussion, and then there's a time to just shut the f*ck up...

[wasajco]

That's one of the things I like about the internet, it's so detached, that folks aren't afraid to let everyone know how they feel, they feel protected and anonymous. Now EVERYONE knows the thinking and rational behind Judge's rants. It effectively nullifies his effect, easiest to just ignore almost anything he says if you're not a statist, imperialist, warmonger, who believes whatever the mainstream media/propaganda machine pumps out for consumption. He is indicative of a large segment of society who never look farther then the TV or the newspaper, never looking into what is behind what they read. There are many people that I know personally who think like him, I once did myself, thankfully I no longer do since I had a kind father who once told me that propaganda isn't just "over there" Some of our better presidents even knew this, but their quotes would not do any good to a person who has the temerity to call himself "Judge" Stalin had a name for some of these people: "useful idiots" This from an "ex-useful idiot" There, that ought to upset mr. judge.(notice, I didn't call him an Idiot?)

[AZXD]

Hey, they might be right
But thanks just the same judge Like I've always said, you're in the running for best subversive supporter of the year!!!!!
The deceptive tactics of false truths as a method of generating a willingness to look more closely at a candidate, WOW, you are a true master. Now if we could only bring that research methods grade up a little. You know what ....... Nevermind you just keep doing what you're doing

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/search....archid=1050339

[Brickboy240]

Ron Paul lost me when he appeared on Glenn Beck and did not know any details about the Ramos and Compean case and did not know who DA Johnny Sutton was. He admitted he knew nothing and had an honest deer in the headlights look about him. He also acted like he could care less about this and other border issues and the possibly illegal acts of this rogue DA.

How do you live in this state and NOT know about this story and who this high profile DA is? Theres not a rock big enough to hide under and miss this story...give me a break! Those others from Texas will tell you...this was a VERY high profile case and all over every news cast and paper for quite a long time.

How can this guy fix the problems at our border if he does not pay attention to what goes on there? Even Dubya knew about this case and Johnny Sutton's actions (even if he did nothing).

Boggles the mind.

- Brickboy240

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Ron Paul lost me when he appeared on Glenn Beck and did not know any details about the Ramos and Compean case and did not know who DA Johnny Sutton was. He admitted he knew nothing and had an honest deer in the headlights look about him. He also acted like he could care less about this and other border issues and the possibly illegal acts of this rogue DA.

How do you live in this state and NOT know about this story and who this high profile DA is? Theres not a rock big enough to hide under and miss this story...give me a break! Those others from Texas will tell you...this was a VERY high profile case and all over every news cast and paper for quite a long time.

How can this guy fix the problems at our border if he does not pay attention to what goes on there? Even Dubya knew about this case and Johnny Sutton's actions (even if he did nothing).

Boggles the mind.

- Brickboy240

About the only thing boggling the mind is that you haven't found a better jab than this one.

Originally Posted by AZXD

Name recognition is the best method of discrediting Ron Paul ?????
Now that's either funny or pathetic.
You decide.
Me, I'm calling it "The humor of grasping at straws".

Of course if that's to subtle, I believe this answered your remark in a more direct fashion.
Anyone see Ron Paul on Glenn Beck's program? (PV) when coupled with the rest of the thread.

EDIT: SORRY!!!
It never occurred to me that you stated this as a subversive tactic. Yea, I gotta agree, when viewed as a big picture, Ron Paul's stance on border security and illegal immigration sure does seem to stomp a pretty big mudhole in the other candidates positions. Especially the pandering/amnesty/sell America crowd who's record's speak much louder than the bully pulpit.

[Judge]

All the same noise.. just whining about the post.

As brick pointed out, Paul - if he can't rely on one of his soundibtes, has no clue.

I love that some of ya'll support him regardless. It's like a cult, doesn't matter what jim jones does, you're gonna drink the kool-aid.

drink up ya'll.. Drink hearty....

[AZXD]

Drink hearty
Yep, we had quite a few drinks celebrating the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. It was slightly above 6 million requests for liberty tea if I recall, and it all happened in a 24 hour period On Sunday, December 16th, 2007

[crazymoose]

Originally Posted by Judge

if all will notice the "noise" that is being posted. A good example of what the author above was discussing....

No rational debate, they can't do it.

Any argument I put forth would certainly fall flat in the face of your big, red letters.