CCW holders - cuffed during traffic stop?

[MGD 45]

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

What? The Police are ALWAYS truthful! You must be a LYING COP HATER!

........."Oh wait" Says Yuppicide as he does a quick internet search on falsified police reports:

DALLAS — Two Texas police officers frequently made homeless people and prostitutes sign blank tickets so they could later fill them out with whatever offenses they chose, according to a Dallas Police Department investigation.
Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle said investigators concluded the two officers used the blank tickets as a law-enforcement tool against habitual offenders. If those offenders always had unpaid tickets, then officers could obtain arrest warrants and take people into custody at any time, Kunkle said.
"It's hard for me to understand any circumstances where that would be appropriate," Kunkle told The Dallas Morning News. "It certainly violates fundamental fairness if people don't have the opportunity to know what they're being charged with or get proper notification."


FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- A sheriff's detective was fired after being charged with falsifying documents in police reports.
He is the third official charged in the state attorney's 17-month probe into allegations that Broward County sheriff's deputies closed cases by attributing them to people who could not have committed the crimes.
Joe Isabella, 34, was fired Thursday after he told investigators he had improperly cleared cases and falsified reports. He was charged with a misdemeanor count of falsifying documents and is scheduled to be arraigned on Monday.

He blamed pressure from supervisors who wanted to lower crime statistics.


A former Pittsburg police officer was sentenced Thursday to 180 days in jail and three years probation for five counts of falsifying police reports.
Jim Hartley, 41, pled no contest to the charges and Contra Costa Superior Court Judge Diana Becton Smith handed down the agreed upon sentence in court Thursday. Hartley has until October 22 to report to jail, or he can request electronic home detention for the duration of his sentence.
A prosecutor noticed some similarities in two of Hartley's police reports earlier this year. That led to a full investigation by the Pittsburg Police Department and the discovery of 39 remarkably similar drug arrest reports, court records show.
Hartley and his attorney reached a deal with the district attorney's office to plea no contest to five charges and accept the six month sentence.
He will not be able to work as a police officer again, a prosecutor said. The investigation also revealed similar inaccuracies in the reporting of fellow Officer Javier Salgado who was also charged with five counts of falsifying police reports and awaits sentencing.

........Need More, cause theres PLENTY!!

Yeah....well......, all the press and the attorney's and the DA's....are lying about this. No cop has ever lied...not once....not ever....doesn't happen (head burried in sand here...).

[The Tengu]

Have I cuffed a CHL holder just because they have a gun? No, I'm generally not worried about them attacking me. I have secured their guns in my car before though, just to keep them separate from their guns when the situation dictates.

Have I ever cuffed someone just for my safety without an arrest? Yeah, I have.

I've never done it to a CHL holder, but I have done it while detaining people. Some of them I let go, some of them I actually arrested. Just because someone is cuffed, it does not mean that they are necessarily under arrest.

Sure, it's kind of rude but like I was telling my partner today: I'd rather hurt someone's feelings then end up dead. I don't do these things to be a dick.

[Mad Geek]

+1 Jd

[Thesparkens]

Im in Colorado. Does most states computer systems (when up and running) IE. NCIC, CCIC show that you are a permit holder?

[TobyU]

Originally Posted by MGD 45

Spoken like a true "I've been arrested before" person....

Nope...just someone who realizes that both sides have a natural tendency to think they are right...and that the cops have more ability to CYA in the situation.

[HumbleGuy]

Originally Posted by rogerxd45

the other time i had my 45 sitting on the dash of my car and i got pulled over and i asked if i could get out of the car or have him take the gun out so there wouldnt be any mistakes well he aked if it was ok if he put me in cuffs and i said yea thats fine and he cuffed me and i sat on the hood of his car. it didnt bother me one bit. what ever they need to do to make it safer for them and the people they are pulling over is fine with me

I have to say that this bothers me more than just about anything I've read on this board.

You couldn't have been more open and compliant and this guy's first option was to cuff you?!?! And worse yet, you're OK with this?!?! Where is the dignity? The only reasons for him to do this to an obviously helpful and compliant citizen is that he is either a chiken-s*** or a bully.

I usually think its BS when I hear of an LEO taking control of the weapon "for your and my safety"... although I'd comply.

I'm all for safety, but this ridiculous. I was pulled over and got a ticket last week. We didn't become buddies but he was capable and professional.

If they say they're gonna cuff you, they're gonna cuff you. but "is it ok if I cuff you?". "I'd prefer it if you didn't."

I'm no cop basher, but ....Geez! I'd like to keep a little dignity, if you don't mind.

[The Tengu]

Originally Posted by Thesparkens

Im in Colorado. Does most states computer systems (when up and running) IE. NCIC, CCIC show that you are a permit holder?

In our system it only shows up when we run their driver license.

[ElJimmyStrappo]

That is totally unconstitutional. You can't restrict someone's freedom of movement (ie: arrest) them unless you have probable cause that a crime has been committed.

Now the officer can ask a violator to step out of the car and frisk them for weapons as an officer safety thing but that also has to be articulable.

If that were happening I would be very surprised.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by The Tengu

Have I cuffed a CHL holder just because they have a gun? No, I'm generally not worried about them attacking me. I have secured their guns in my car before though, just to keep them separate from their guns when the situation dictates.

Have I ever cuffed someone just for my safety without an arrest? Yeah, I have.

I've never done it to a CHL holder, but I have done it while detaining people. Some of them I let go, some of them I actually arrested. Just because someone is cuffed, it does not mean that they are necessarily under arrest.

Sure, it's kind of rude but like I was telling my partner today: I'd rather hurt someone's feelings then end up dead. I don't do these things to be a dick.

I'd rather put you (or any LEO) at easy than have us both make a mistake. If I do something questionable, I'd have no problem being cuffed to ease your concerns over the safety of both of us while the situation is checked out. I am not a criminal, so if that's what it takes to ensure we both have a pleasant evening, I don't have a problem with securing the situation.

But I would be very concerned for my life if I were pulled over, asked to step out of the car and cuffed for no reason.

[trik396]

Originally Posted by HumbleGuy

I have to say that this bothers me more than just about anything I've read on this board.

You couldn't have been more open and compliant and this guy's first option was to cuff you?!?! And worse yet, you're OK with this?!?! Where is the dignity? The only reasons for him to do this to an obviously helpful and compliant citizen is that he is either a chiken-s*** or a bully.

I usually think its BS when I hear of an LEO taking control of the weapon "for your and my safety"... although I'd comply.

I'm all for safety, but this ridiculous. I was pulled over and got a ticket last week. We didn't become buddies but he was capable and professional.

If they say they're gonna cuff you, they're gonna cuff you. but "is it ok if I cuff you?". "I'd prefer it if you didn't."

I'm no cop basher, but ....Geez! I'd like to keep a little dignity, if you don't mind.

I was going to type something exactly like this.... Cuffing someone for no reason? Try me... and then I guess we'll have a reason. And for all you LEO's out there who disagree with me, how would you feel if it were your wife getting cuffed on the side of the road, for no f'ing reason. Give me a break.