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**Druac** · 10-30-2007, 12:25 PM

I can understand the rationale behind mandatory evacuations if your home or area is in immediate danger, but these were people protecting their intact and dry property...I noticed they let some stay, but forced others out and confiscated the firearms...I'm trying to figure out what their rationale for this was.

I watched much news on Katrina, but I don't remember seeing any of this at the time.

Thanks for the video links.

scalce · 10-30-2007, 12:44 PM

Stop picking on the poor guy.

I am not sure how the confiscating took place but there is a difference between shooting a criminal for protection and shooting a cop because the politicians are idiots.

None of us can talk **** until we are in that situation.

LUVMYSIGP225 · 10-30-2007, 01:04 PM

Cucamel,

I know where you are coming from, bro. It is about principle.

If they were coming for MY stash, and MY stash only, I would let them have it, and spare my family the heartache.

If they were busy with everyone else at the same time, I call that OPPORTUNITY!!!

xd4life · 10-30-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bkelm18

You are honestly willing to die for the 2nd amendment? Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging you. It's just that alot of people don't really sit down and think what they would do, honestly do, in that situation. Would I fight back? Maybe. It really depends on the circumstances. I don't think I would if my family were with me. Fighting for your rights is one thing, but being gunned down in front of your family by the cops/feds would be another. That being said, if I ever live in an area that would be prone to a "SHTF" situation, a lot of thought would be given to how I would store my firearms. They would be stored MUCH more discretely than if I lived in BFE. Possibly a hidden safe or room that only I or my wife would know about.

YEA I AM, YOUR NOT? The 2nd amendment is part of the constitution would you die to uphold the constitution? Stop and think of what the constitution means. you start taking away bits and pieces and the building blocks of our country start to crumble, then we collapse

Etta Place · 10-30-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Druac

Yikes...I had not heard anything about police going door to door and confiscating firearms from citizens...during a disaster no less!?!?!

WFT? I hope there is SOMEONE suing the crap out of that city and police force if they actually did this! If not, why not?

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Monday, April 16, 2007
Katrina inspires bans on gun seizures
By Pauline Vu, Stateline.org Staff Writer

In the days after Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans police went door to door and confiscated guns from citizens in an effort to counter chaos and crime in the wrecked city.

But gun advocates saw the seizures as an infringement on constitutional rights and said never again.

The actions of the New Orleans police have inspired 13 states, including Louisiana, to enact laws to keep state and local officials from taking guns during a state of emergency, such as after a natural disaster or terrorist attack. President Bush also signed a bill in October that would penalize states financially for illegally confiscating guns during an emergency.

Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt (R) signed an emergency weapons bill on April 12 to become the 13^th state with such a law on the books, joining Alaska, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia. A measure also is on the desk of Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano (D).

Similar bills were introduced in at least 14 other states this year.

“We can never too soon forget the injustice that went on in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, where law-abiding individuals’ firearms were taken away from them just when they needed to protect themselves the most,” said Julie Tanna, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association (NRA), a lobbying group that opposes gun control. The NRA successfully sued to get New Orleans’ residents their guns back and has vowed to push for state laws to block confiscations.

While several of the bills have sailed through legislatures with few no votes, law enforcers have raised objections. Critics complain the emergency gun bills are too broad and would hamper state leaders and law enforcement officials during an emergency.

State Rep. Beth Low (D) was one of the bill’s two dissenters in the Missouri House. “There’s a sincere desire to protect our communities and allow them to protect themselves. I don’t think anything’s wrong with that, but I believe there are unintended consequences to this legislation that could be very destructive in an emergency,” she said.

Among the problems Low has with Missouri’s new law: It doesn’t specifically define what an emergency is; it restricts not just the confiscation of weapons and ammunition, but also the transfer and sale of them; and it doesn’t expressly prohibit people from bringing their guns to an emergency shelter.

Charley Wilkison, the political and legislative director for the Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas (CLEAT), agrees with that last concern. Although CLEAT backs people’s right to keep guns during an emergency, the group would support an amendment to a Texas bill that would ensure that people cannot bring their guns to emergency shelters, such as the New Orleans Superdome following Katrina.

“Can you imagine a massive gathering of humanity under the most horrible set of circumstances, where you’re hopeless, you’re afraid, you can’t locate members of your family, you don’t know if they’re alive or dead. … Then you add guns to that mix,” he said. “I think we’d be supportive of that being a gun-free environment.”

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) opposed a bill introduced this session because it included civil penalties for officers who improperly confiscate weapons. “It just doesn’t take into consideration the difficult conditions in emergencies that police are placed in, and having to decide who’s the good guy and who’s the bad guy,” said John Bankhead, the GBI’s legislative liaison. The bill failed to pass before crossover day, the last day a bill must pass at least one chamber in the General Assembly to be considered for passage.

But state Rep. Russell Pearce (R), sponsor of the Arizona bill, said other laws already give police the power to confiscate guns from people committing crimes. He said his bill simply ensures that people who aren’t committing crimes are protected from confiscation during an emergency – a time when they may need their weapons the most.

“We’re not a police state. You don’t go and abuse good citizens because of your concern for their safety,” Pearce said. “It’s a shame that we have to write a law to protect basic constitutional rights.”

Comment on this story in the space below by registering with Stateline.org, or e-mail your feedback to our Letters to the editor section at letters@stateline.org.

Contact Pauline Vu at pvu@stateline.org.

http://www.stateline.org/live/detail...ntentId=198836

**Frenchy** · 10-30-2007, 01:37 PM

Missouri has recently passed a law that prohibits the state from confiscating citizen's guns, in the wake of a natural disaster or implementation of Marshal Law.
Many states have followed suit in the wake of the Katrina incident.

edit: Oops...I guess I should have read Etta's article first!

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“Can you imagine a massive gathering of humanity under the most horrible set of circumstances, where you’re hopeless, you’re afraid, you can’t locate members of your family, you don’t know if they’re alive or dead. … Then you add guns to that mix,” he said. “I think we’d be supportive of that being a gun-free environment.”

Yes...and we all have seen just how well a gun-free environment works!

LUVMYSIGP225 · 10-30-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

Missouri has recently passed a law that prohibits the state from confiscating citizen's guns, in the wake of a natural disaster or implementation of Marshal Law.
Many states have followed suit in the wake of the Katrina incident.

Frenchy,

I still say you look like a CIA operative. LOL!!

**Druac** · 10-30-2007, 01:41 PM

Awesome...good to hear that actions are being made in direct response to such idiocy…thanks for the info.

**Frenchy** · 10-30-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Frenchy,

I still say you look like a CIA operative. LOL!!

No!...But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!

rodder · 10-30-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xd4life

YEA I AM, YOUR NOT? The 2nd amendment is part of the constitution would you die to uphold the constitution? Stop and think of what the constitution means. you start taking away bits and pieces and the building blocks of our country start to crumble, then we collapse

You're telling me if you were in a disaster area and were the only means of protection for your family you'd engage in a shootout with LE inside your home knowing full well that you'd likely be shot and killed? What good would you hope to accomplish by doing so? Sounds like tough guy talk to me.

10-30-2007, 12:25 PM	#21
Druac XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,062	I can understand the rationale behind mandatory evacuations if your home or area is in immediate danger, but these were people protecting their intact and dry property...I noticed they let some stay, but forced others out and confiscated the firearms...I'm trying to figure out what their rationale for this was. I watched much news on Katrina, but I don't remember seeing any of this at the time. Thanks for the video links. __________________ "When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." - Abraham Lincoln "I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei "God is my savior...he saves me from REALITY!" - My Custom Tee-Shirt "Procreation Certification" - Me

10-30-2007, 01:41 PM	#28
Druac XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,062	Awesome...good to hear that actions are being made in direct response to such idiocy…thanks for the info. __________________ "When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." - Abraham Lincoln "I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei "God is my savior...he saves me from REALITY!" - My Custom Tee-Shirt "Procreation Certification" - Me

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10-30-2007, 12:44 PM	#22
scalce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,415	Stop picking on the poor guy. I am not sure how the confiscating took place but there is a difference between shooting a criminal for protection and shooting a cop because the politicians are idiots. None of us can talk **** until we are in that situation.

10-30-2007, 01:04 PM	#23
LUVMYSIGP225 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Center of the Mind Posts: 6,099	Cucamel, I know where you are coming from, bro. It is about principle. If they were coming for MY stash, and MY stash only, I would let them have it, and spare my family the heartache. If they were busy with everyone else at the same time, I call that OPPORTUNITY!!!