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gsh341 · 10-13-2007, 09:18 PM

To try and prevent things like this.

http://www.komotv.com/news/8922682.html

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SEATTLE -- A birthday party turned to chaos Sunday morning when a woman was stabbed to death by her ex-husband in front of dozens of people, and then the man was shot and killed by a man who witnessed the stabbing, Seattle police said.

Police say it all happened just before 1:30 a.m. at the VFW Post 6599 and Ladies Auxiliary Building on Martin Luther King Way South in South Seattle.

Witnesses told police there were group of about 40-50 people there celebrating a birthday when a man walked in looking for his 33-year-old ex-wife, who had a restraining order against him.

They say the man found his ex, and then grabbed her and started stabbing her. Other people tried to hit him with chairs and tables to stop him, but they say the man kept stabbing the woman -- even cutting other people in the process -- until someone else pulled out a gun and shot him.

Medics tried to help the victim, but she had already died. Her ex-husband was taken to Harborview Medical Center where he later died.

Homicide detectives questioned the shooter and then released him. The shooter apparently did not know the man he shot or the woman who was stabbed, but police say he had a license to carry a gun. Detectives took the gun into custody as matter of procedure.

The victim's name has not been released. But one person at the party told KOMO 4 News that the couple had a 2-year-old daughter together, and that the victim had four children total.

Unfortunately, the guy was too late to help, but at least the SOB didn't get away.

I know it's a little dated, but it's still relevant.

**XDAndMe** · 10-13-2007, 11:37 PM

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Detectives took the gun into custody as matter of procedure.

I wonder if he's going to get his gun back...

Reno82 · 10-14-2007, 12:24 AM

That's why I carry.....

xd4life · 10-14-2007, 12:32 AM

He will get his gun back, It's probably not gonna be anytime soon but eventually. I am glad the BG got what he deserved and I hope nothing happens to the shooter.

I have questions though

So what VFW does not sell adult beverages by the drink?

What State is there where it is legal to carry in such an establishment?

Do most cops look at this law as if you are not drinking what's the harm?

**jgrauman** · 10-14-2007, 12:35 AM

there's in excess of, i believe, 30 states that allow carry where alcohol is served and quite a few that allow you to drink while carrying, just like driving, as long as you are under the legal limit. can't quote the number, but just give it a search.

**XDAndMe** · 10-14-2007, 12:37 AM

From what I have read in a few posts from the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association (www.pafoa.org) site, this state doesn't restrict firearms carry in places that serve alcohol. The only time it becomes an issue if you are involved in a shooting while legally intoxicated yourself.

If that's true, then I'm sure there are other states that let you carry in places that serve alcohol as well.

Apdl · 10-14-2007, 12:56 AM

That is a horrible situation certainly for the little girl
I wonder if the man shot during the stabbing or after or if there was even a threat when he took that shot
In MN you cannot use deadly force unless the person in a close family member I guess it is a little tricky in MN

**eric_t12** · 10-14-2007, 03:16 AM

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In MN you cannot use deadly force unless the person in a close family member

oh sh1t shoot that guy he's raping and stabbing that woman!

...nahh, she's not related to me. can't do it.

bat54r · 10-14-2007, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by XDAndMe

From what I have read in a few posts from the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association (www.pafoa.org) site, this state doesn't restrict firearms carry in places that serve alcohol. The only time it becomes an issue if you are involved in a shooting while legally intoxicated yourself.

If that's true, then I'm sure there are other states that let you carry in places that serve alcohol as well.

Same in Indiana

LKB3rd · 10-14-2007, 04:06 AM

Connecticut law allows carrying in places that serve alcohol as well. If you drink in amounts simliar to the amounts allowed for driving that is illegal though. Also, the board of public safety's website says that while not illegal "mature judgement" says you shouldn't do it. I don't drink, so my mature judgement tells me its ok for me.
It's too bad the woman didn't survive. Those kids are now without both parents from one day to the next... Not that having the murdering dad would have been so great, but i feel for them.

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xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	He will get his gun back, It's probably not gonna be anytime soon but eventually. I am glad the BG got what he deserved and I hope nothing happens to the shooter. I have questions though So what VFW does not sell adult beverages by the drink? What State is there where it is legal to carry in such an establishment? Do most cops look at this law as if you are not drinking what's the harm? __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

10-14-2007, 12:35 AM	#5
jgrauman XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chattanooga, Tn Posts: 445	there's in excess of, i believe, 30 states that allow carry where alcohol is served and quite a few that allow you to drink while carrying, just like driving, as long as you are under the legal limit. can't quote the number, but just give it a search. __________________ You see, none of us choose our end really. A king may move a man, a father may claim a son. But remember that, even when those who move you be kings or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God you cannot say, "but I was told by others to do thus," or that "virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.

10-14-2007, 12:56 AM	#7
Apdl XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Burnsville, MN Posts: 2,354	That is a horrible situation certainly for the little girl I wonder if the man shot during the stabbing or after or if there was even a threat when he took that shot In MN you cannot use deadly force unless the person in a close family member I guess it is a little tricky in MN __________________ "He took off running, and we caught him, and he just kept resisting. So we just kept whipping his ass." -HulkXD "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein If you are not part of the solution you are part of the precipitate Springfield XD-9 TOTAL COUNT 8206 Daily Carry Springfield 1911 Loaded Target 9mm Walther P22... needs bigger mag Ruger 10/22 Carbine Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 Win EBR Build in progress

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10-14-2007, 12:37 AM	#6
XDAndMe XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: PA, USA Posts: 3,402	From what I have read in a few posts from the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association (www.pafoa.org) site, this state doesn't restrict firearms carry in places that serve alcohol. The only time it becomes an issue if you are involved in a shooting while legally intoxicated yourself. If that's true, then I'm sure there are other states that let you carry in places that serve alcohol as well.

10-14-2007, 04:06 AM	#10
LKB3rd XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT Posts: 926	Connecticut law allows carrying in places that serve alcohol as well. If you drink in amounts simliar to the amounts allowed for driving that is illegal though. Also, the board of public safety's website says that while not illegal "mature judgement" says you shouldn't do it. I don't drink, so my mature judgement tells me its ok for me. It's too bad the woman didn't survive. Those kids are now without both parents from one day to the next... Not that having the murdering dad would have been so great, but i feel for them.